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Yes, the sanctions did happen after the election. Can you imagine the uproar if the administration had acted before the election and said the Russians were trying to help Trump get elected, and then Hillary was elected?
I'm not sure you understand what you just wrote.....the russians were meddling, but for who? hillary or trump? You see, that's the point....nobody knows....there has been zero collusion....
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Originally Posted by Marlow
Trump supporters would have had a collective stroke, and rightly so. There wasn't enough time to digest it and examine the extent of it. It would have looked like partisan fear-mongering, no matter how well it was documented. Diehard Trump supporters still deny Russia was attempting to influence the election.
Yet it's now known they did....but did not change the vote count...period.....
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Has Trump done anything about Russian interference since he's been elected?
Mess with an on-going investigation? You know the fit the left would throw?
Mueller attempted to serve the summonses through the Russian government several months ago but they refused to act. Two lawyers show up and request extensive information for a hearing tomorrow. Concord hasn't even accepted the summons nor has the law firm claiming to represent them. Yes they have the right to see all evidence if in fact they are representing Concord but there are ongoing investigations and I'm sure it needs to be redacted.
Mueller attempted to serve the summonses through the Russian government several months ago but they refused to act. Two lawyers show up and request extensive information for a hearing tomorrow. Concord hasn't even accepted the summons nor has the law firm claiming to represent them. Yes they have the right to see all evidence if in fact they are representing Concord but there are ongoing investigations and I'm sure it needs to be redacted.
actually when turning over evidence to the defense in a discovery motion, very little is allowed to be redacted, and even that needs the approval of the judge. if mueller wants to keep the identity of a witness secret, then fine, they can testify in a room away from the defendants, and have their face blotted out. but witnesses have to be able to be properly cross examined, both in a deposition and in court. as for written information, again very little can be redacted as the defense has the right to know all the evidence against them. redact too much and the prosecution runs the risk of being reversed on appeal, or having the judge in the initial case toss out a lot of evidence and the you risk losing the case in court at the first level.
the fact is that mueller is on a power trip here, thinking he is above the law, and the judge is going to slap his butt down and hard if he doesnt comply with the judges orders
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Originally Posted by stburr91
The lawyers for Concord did not accept the summons because the Mueller team did not follow federal rules that pertain to summons.
On top of that, the Mueller team refused to comply with discovery rules, and turn over evidence to the defendants.
The Mueller team never thought that would ever have to go to court and prove any of these indictments were legitimate.
Well Bob, it's time for your butt to cash the check your mouth wrote.
exactly right, as i noted above mueller is on a power trip and thinks he is above the law, and he isnt. he needs a good slap down by the judges in the case.
actually when turning over evidence to the defense in a discovery motion, very little is allowed to be redacted, and even that needs the approval of the judge. if mueller wants to keep the identity of a witness secret, then fine, they can testify in a room away from the defendants, and have their face blotted out. but witnesses have to be able to be properly cross examined, both in a deposition and in court. as for written information, again very little can be redacted as the defense has the right to know all the evidence against them. redact too much and the prosecution runs the risk of being reversed on appeal, or having the judge in the initial case toss out a lot of evidence and the you risk losing the case in court at the first level.
the fact is that mueller is on a power trip here, thinking he is above the law, and the judge is going to slap his butt down and hard if he doesnt comply with the judges orders
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The request for discovery included all US misdeeds in foreign countries going back to 1945, they are not even sure that this law firm is legally representing the company. The hearing is tomorrow.
The request for discovery included all US misdeeds in foreign countries going back to 1945, they are not even sure that this law firm is legally representing the company. The hearing is tomorrow.
To the bold, you've said this twice now, with zero to back up your claim.....and then you say the hearing is tomorrow (now today), why would any judge give someone the ability to look at something that they are no supposed to look at? Why would Mueller and his team allow that? Why would Mueller and his team try to block the hearing?
Provide proof of what you say....and no, I'm not going to go google anything, prove your point, if you have one.....
To the bold, you've said this twice now, with zero to back up your claim.....and then you say the hearing is tomorrow (now today), why would any judge give someone the ability to look at something that they are no supposed to look at? Why would Mueller and his team allow that? Why would Mueller and his team try to block the hearing?
Provide proof of what you say....and no, I'm not going to go google anything, prove your point, if you have one.....
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Those charged were not expected to appear in the U.S. court. However, last month, two Washington-area lawyers alerted the court that they represent one of the businesses that was charged, Concord Management, according to Politico. Mueller’s team wants a delay because it’s unclear whether the lawyers from Concord Management formally accepted the summons from the court case.
So, please tell us where you get "they are not even sure that this law firm is representing them" (Concord) out of the quote you provided?
Mueller is unclear if they (concord) formally accepted the summons.....not that they are not sure if they are representing concord....
Below is the quote you provided.....
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Those charged were not expected to appear in the U.S. court. However, last month, two Washington-area lawyers alerted the court that they represent one of the businesses that was charged, Concord Management, according to Politico. Mueller’s team wants a delay because it’s unclear whether the lawyers from Concord Management formally accepted the summons from the court case.
And just so we know what you stated...it is below...
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Originally Posted by Goodnight
The request for discovery included all US misdeeds in foreign countries going back to 1945, they are not even sure that this law firm is legally representing the company. The hearing is tomorrow.
The lawyers are in fact representing the defendants, the summons has nothing to do with it.
The lawyers did not accepted the summons, the Mueller team failed to follow proper procedure with their summons.
However, the lawyers representing the defendants voluntarily showed up in court despite the Mueller's team's failure to send a proper summons.
There is no way around it, the Mueller team was caught with their pants down, they indicted people that they were not not prepared to bring a case against.
The question is why are they not prepared?
It is purely because of sloppy, unprofessional handling of this case?
Or, is it because they have no case against these Russians, and they indicted them with the idea that they would never have to go to trial?
23 low level stuff that an amateur could have gotten and 90% won't ever see a courtroom. Not a single thing to do with Russian collusion by team Trump mind you.
Mind you---the investigation is ongoing
The money revealed going through Cohen's LLC yesterday has distinct Russian ties
I am sure more info will be forth coming...
The wheels grind slowing---but they are grinding...
I think some posters seem to think collusion is a farce to destroy the president. Meanwhile I have seen Democrats waffle on firm positions about interference as it is clear they can't blanket oppose interference as their heroes do it.
The US media has ignored or even supported the US interfering in Russian elections. You want to look at Russian interference in our elections, then we need to look at Wilson, Clinton, and the Obama presidencies among others if we want to understand why Russia might want to interfere with our elections.
Yes---I agree
The US has done political ops to influence other countries' elections but more with pretty visible propaganda
I think the idea that Cambridge Analytica stole info via FB and used that to help target specific voters was pretty scary
Putin hated HRC because as Sec of State she called into question the legitimacy of HIS election--
Like Russia has a free/transparent election process...
Yeah, sure...we saw that at the most recent one--right???
But the fact that the US has tried to influence other countries' elections should not make one political party say "come over and influence OUR election for the person YOU think is best for YOUR country"...
Should it???
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