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I am a Christian. I support separating children from their parents at the border 69 20.29%
I am a Christian. I do not support separating children from their parents at the border 80 23.53%
I am not a Christian. I support separating children from their parents at the border 59 17.35%
I am not a Christian. I do not support separating children from their parents at the border 132 38.82%
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Old 06-19-2018, 02:50 PM
 
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Is that what you think people from Mexico, Central America, and South America are for? You sound oddly familiar to this person:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0TFayRZeS8

Cliff's Notes: It didn't go over well with anyone.
Yes, this is exactly what the liberals think brown people are for. THEY are the racist ones for basically advocating we need brown people to clean our houses and pick our fruit.

 
Old 06-19-2018, 02:50 PM
 
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This response should explain it all for those who don't do their research and believe the media.Shelia Hatley Wallace I will just leave this right here...

“In March of 1993, The United States Supreme Court issued a ruling in Reno v Flores. (Yes, “That” Reno. Janet Reno, Bill Clinton’s first Attorney General who ordered that young Elian Gonzalez be torn from his family’s arms while hiding in a Miami closet. You might remember the iconic photograph.)

The Court in Flores decided that minors could not be incarcerated with the adults accompanying them across the United States border illegally. The decision was the result of a long dispute in how to best care for these children while the adults were detained for criminal proceedings.

You see, when aliens cross the border illegally, they are incarcerated until their criminal case is decided. The understandable argument at the time was “why should children be incarcerated while their parents are in jail?” It seemed a fundamental violation of international human rights. Makes sense, right?

As a result, The Flores case drew a line in the sand. Children could not be incarcerated with their parents or accompanying adult while being held for illegal immigration violations. And a subsequent 1997 agreement stipulated that children must be placed in a safer environment where they could enjoy certain privileges, including education, a clean, safe environment and other normal life cycle amenities that incarcerated individuals do not enjoy.

It was considered a “victory” for human rights. By separating adult and child, we protected the children, reducing any harm done to them for their parent’s or accompanying adult’s decisions.

A lot has happened since then. However; bottom line, these juvenile, shelters have been operating in accordance with the law, and overseen by the Department of Health and Human Services to protect those children from the hazards of parental incarceration since 1997.

So, since Donald Trump was running his real estate empire, selling wine and casinos in 1993, we are left to determine just how he managed to orchestrate this cruel “separation of immigrant parent and child” 25 years BEFORE he was President of the United States. The obvious answer is, he didn’t. He had nothing to do with establishing this United States immigration policy. Today, he simply enforces it.

This one story illustrates how important it is for us to do our research regarding today’s headlines. The Corporate Media either refuses to do the research, is incapable of doing the research or has done the research and decided to lie to you about its findings. Either way, this would make the Corporate Media lazy, incompetent or just plain deceptive. Liars, if you will.”
Elian Gonzalez was on a boat from Cuba that sank and his mother drowned. He was with relatives in Florida. His Cuban dad wanted him back. There was a great legal controversy. The conservatives wanted him to stay with his mom's relatives and the liberals wanted him returned to his father. The court ruled he should be returned to his dad.
He was finally sent back to his father. He had to be capture by big guys in uniforms carrying guns.
 
Old 06-19-2018, 02:51 PM
 
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trump won't sign a bill to simply stop this inhumane treatment of children. The cry-baby wants his wall included in any legislation.
Dems are cry babies. Trump wants comprehensive reform, fixing all the problems at once, not nitpicking like Dems do. Dems always want to have a campaign issue to whine about. If the problem gets fixed they have nothing to complain about.
 
Old 06-19-2018, 02:51 PM
 
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The Trump administration is following the law.

He is legally required to do what he is doing.

The parents are not. It is 100& on them.



There is NO LAW that requires immigrant children to be separated from their parents.



It is a policy of the Trump administration.
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The policy is unique to the Trump administration. Previous administrations did not, as a general principle, separate all families crossing the U.S. border illegally. And the current administration could choose to end this practice and release families together from detention at any time.
https://www.npr.org/2018/06/19/62106...-at-the-border
 
Old 06-19-2018, 02:51 PM
 
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trump won't sign a bill to simply stop this inhumane treatment of children. The cry-baby wants his wall included in any legislation.
Yes, the wall must be included, and if the Democrats care for these kids, they will agree in a second. They've never had a hard time spending money before, and if they think the wall will fail, why not agree to it, let him build it and if it doesn't work, then they can have a tool to use against him.

Why? Because they know it WILL work and that scares them.
 
Old 06-19-2018, 02:51 PM
 
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That's right, Trump and Sessions believe in the rule of law and believe the law should be followed, because it is their job to implement the law.

Obama and the Democrats believe they can pick and choose which laws to enforce and which not to.
In Obama/Democrat's defense, every President before Trump blew off laws where enforcement has bad optics, Obama was just the most recent one. Immigration law has horrible optics, so nobody enforces it.

All you need is one screaming, crying kid holding outstretched arm to parents who are handcuffed and being led away, and boom, humanitarian crisis. Thing is, plenty of screaming, crying kids have held that same outstretched arm pose in courtrooms all over the US for all manner of laws their parents got convicted of breaking and led away, and we haven't added the "vacate/ignore law because crying child" for murder, rape, theft, assault, etc.

People think immigration law isn't really crime, so enforcing the law is seen as being just plain old mean. Sovereign borders are a theory, not a reality. Etc etc. Thing is, everything Trump is ordering enforcement of is at least 20+ years old, and duly written/voted on/passed by Congress. He's following his job description to the letter, and even following the true spirit of the Constitution, checks and balances, etc. Nothing he is doing wasn't previously authorized/mandated by Congress and the US Code. Again, it just has really crappy optics, so he gets to be the villain because Americans are so freaking stupid and believe whatever the media says.

I absolutely think immigration law needs massive reform and all that, but nothing Trump is doing is outside what prior Presidents and Congresses authorized/mandated him to do. He just has the sack to actually do things instead of avoiding them.
 
Old 06-19-2018, 02:57 PM
 
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I do not get my news from the likes of Bill Kristol, who openly advocates and rallies against the American working class.
I don't like him either. But he knows a lot about laws, policy and DC.
 
Old 06-19-2018, 02:57 PM
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You'll never hear this from a lefty. It's much easier to tug on the heart strings with sobbing children than to think the root cause of the problem.
The violence in Central America which starts the people trying to escape here, where they then become our problem?
 
Old 06-19-2018, 02:57 PM
 
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There is NO LAW that requires immigrant children to be separated from their parents.



It is a policy of the Trump administration.
https://www.npr.org/2018/06/19/62106...-at-the-border
There is neither a law nor a policy stating that kids should be separated from their parents. It happens by default by following the law that a person, who breaks a law is arrested.

Do you want the kids put in jail with their parents? BTW, of the 12,000 children in custody, 10,000 of them came unaccompanied by their parents.
 
Old 06-19-2018, 02:58 PM
 
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Has Obama said anything about why he separated families? How about Bush who signed the bill?
They didn't.

As no doubt you know very well.

This is all on Trump. As far as obeying the law goes, take a look at his own record. He had no difficulty hiring illegal immigrants to work on his sleazy NYC projects, but he sure had trouble paying them for their labor.

Trump is a hypocrite, a trait it appears many of his supporters share.
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