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I am a Christian. I support separating children from their parents at the border 69 20.29%
I am a Christian. I do not support separating children from their parents at the border 80 23.53%
I am not a Christian. I support separating children from their parents at the border 59 17.35%
I am not a Christian. I do not support separating children from their parents at the border 132 38.82%
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Old 05-10-2018, 07:18 AM
 
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I'll stop objecting if we escort them through the US so they can immigrate to Canada.
That would mean USA would break the treaty it has with Canada. You wouldn't want the USA to be known as a country that doesn't stay with its legal commitments, would you? Imagine how that would denigrate the USA as a trusted partner in the world community.

 
Old 05-10-2018, 07:21 AM
 
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Exactly. Should my home get broken into and robbed? My car stolen? My credit cards stolen and used? None of those are violent, so every person who commits those crimes should not go to jail?

We have laws for a reason. We need to uphold them. Because they protect things that belong to us, even if the crime committed isn't a violent one. Including breaking into this country.
I'm not settled on that yet, however, if this is a first time offender, would it not be better to invest resources that otherwise would be spent in the justice system in trying to divert recidivism?

What is wrong with a sliding scale, or a graduated system of penalties? If the offender is a habitual car thief, that is one thing, however, if this is a young first offender, that is another.

Incarceration doesn't work for recidivism, and only servers as grad school for delinquency. You know that is true.
 
Old 05-10-2018, 07:21 AM
 
Location: Suburb of Chicago
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I dont like families being separated, but I think we have gotten to the point where I just don't care anymore.

Life should be terrrible here for anyone that comes illegally. It should be worse for them here, than it is in their home countries.

Since, for decades, we have not been enforcing the laws, and we are making it more and more difficult to enforce our laws, we need some other method of getting these people back home where they belong. The governor of my state just signed a bill allowing illegal aliens to receive financial aid for state college. WTF? The tax payers have to pay for college for people that have no business being here in the first place. I have no problem with making these people miserable so they decide they are better off not being here.

And to people comparing this to Nazis? That is complete nonsense! You are going to compare these people to Holocaust victims? Did holocaust victims flock INTO Germany or were they trying to escape Germany?
How many illegal aliens are being gassed to death? How many are having medical experiments done on them against their will? How many are being tortured? They are breaking our laws, and they are paying a price that they could easily avoid by NOT breaking our laws.

And I just think it's a huge problem that life is better for them here than it is for many Americans.
 
Old 05-10-2018, 07:22 AM
 
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Not two different things at all. Illegals show up at our border. They demand to be let in, their families kept intact, and their needs paid for, just because that's how they want to be treated.

If someone showed up at your door, demanded entry, along with their entire family, with you footing the bill, would you let them stay? Because THAT would be the humanitarian way.
You are well aware most of those families work, pay taxes and contribute to society in a very short order.
 
Old 05-10-2018, 07:23 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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This black and white thinking will be the death of this country.
I know, right? I should be able to rob banks, get away with it, and keep the stolen money because "I'm just wanting a better life" (the illegal alien excuse).

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That is why I will continue to encourage my children to immigrate to another country as soon as they can.
Do they have dual citizenship? Immigrating to another country isn't as easy as you think. For example, one must buy one's way into many countries.

https://www.cnn.com/2013/06/28/busin...hip/index.html

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Old 05-10-2018, 07:24 AM
 
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I am a humanitarian, and that has no borders. I care what happens to humans, no matter where they live. I find it incongruous that the country (the USA), which wants to present itself as a champion of human rights and freedom, continues to have laws an policies which cause it to have the highest prison population in the world (more than China which has 3 times the population), and the highest by far per capita prison population.

Do you really think the USA is that much more prone to criminality, or do you think maybe the laws are wrong? Think about this... dictatorships world wide have less people in prison. Never mind other first world countries.

What's wrong with US laws? Or is it less humanitarian?
I commend you for being a humanitarian but I think you might need to read up a bit on Chinese prisons.
 
Old 05-10-2018, 07:25 AM
 
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Not that ignorance of the law is an excuse, but why would you believe migrants know the ins and outs of immigration law in this country?

You can't be serious. If they are adults or even teenagers they know that every country has immigration laws and that you don't just show up at their borders and you are automatically allowed in.
 
Old 05-10-2018, 07:26 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Quote the treaty Mexico and USA have that is the equivalent of the one Canada and USA have.
1951 Refugee Convention. UN Multilateral Treaty.
 
Old 05-10-2018, 07:28 AM
 
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That would mean USA would break the treaty it has with Canada.
The UN Treaty has already been broken when Mexico passed them through. There is no difference.
 
Old 05-10-2018, 07:30 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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You are well aware most of those families work, pay taxes and contribute to society in a very short order.
buying gas and twinkies at a AM/PM doesn't actually qualify for the concept of paying all taxes.
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