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I am a Christian. I support separating children from their parents at the border 69 20.29%
I am a Christian. I do not support separating children from their parents at the border 80 23.53%
I am not a Christian. I support separating children from their parents at the border 59 17.35%
I am not a Christian. I do not support separating children from their parents at the border 132 38.82%
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Old 06-20-2018, 02:38 PM
 
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Part of the reason for "catch and release" is that prior administrations did not want to separate families. If you criminally prosecute people for misdemeanor entry into the country, you have to hold them, transport them to court, adjudicate them, etc. The question of what to do with their children in those circumstances is one that previous administrations have tried to figure out. Up until May of this year, people were administratively released and ordered to appear at a later date for adjudication.

In May, the DOJ abandoned "catch and release" and started prosecuting those misdemeanor cases, which resulted in the accused being separated from their children. Now that Trump has backed off of family separation, he is faced with the same dilemma of what to do with the kids while their parents are being taken into court.

Do you see the issue? As others have said, when you're arrested and taken into custody, your kids don't go with you. Are they going to continue to arrest these people and take them into custody? If so, what kind and where? The Trump administration is back at square one. If you're going to prosecute these people criminally rather than administratively, what are you going to do with the children?

I predict that they'll reinstate some sort of "catch and release" policy, but they'll call it something else.

One thing I can guarantee is that no one in the Trump administration has spent any time trying to figure this out. It's not an easy issue and the Trump administration is very light on brain power.
Or they'll pull all the stops out and start plowing through the bogus asylum claims.

Obama didn't manage to figure it out, but I bet you'll go on record saying he's a genius. At least Trump is attempting to follow the rule of law.

 
Old 06-20-2018, 02:39 PM
 
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What part of "unaccompanied" are you not getting? The children taken from their parents were NOT unaccompanied.

What part of


1 Last year, we held that the Flores Settlement applies to both accompanied and unaccompanied minors. See Flores v. Lynch,828F.3d898(9thCir.2016).

http://cdn.ca9.uscourts.gov/datastor...5/17-55208.pdf (see page 5)


are you not getting?
 
Old 06-20-2018, 02:39 PM
 
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Children with their parents are not being separated. It's children with adults other than their parents that are being separated.
Link?
 
Old 06-20-2018, 02:43 PM
 
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I predict that they'll reinstate some sort of "catch and release" policy, but they'll call it something else.

I'd be ok with a catch-and-release-outside-the-country policy.
 
Old 06-20-2018, 02:43 PM
 
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Lies, lies, lies.

ANY TRUMP SUPPORTERS CARE TO QUOTE ME AND DISCUSS?


https://twitter.com/kaitlancollins/s...17891476221958
 
Old 06-20-2018, 02:44 PM
 
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You'll find out in the coming days when your fellow liberals use it to block the EO.
You must be dizzy. You started out saying that Flores mandated that children be separated from their parents when it said no such thing. Now that Trump has caved to political and popular pressure from both sides of the aisle and signed an EO to stop separating families, you are desperately trying to spin this into support for your argument.

The bottom line is there is no law mandating that children be separated from their parents and if there had been, how can Trump have "fixed" it with an EO?
 
Old 06-20-2018, 02:46 PM
 
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Dems love their criminals.
Feinstein's Frankenstein bill wouldn't let the border patrol make an arrest within 100 miles of the border. Yet she would still pay the border patrol. Maybe they could play cards all day for their pay.
I really have to wonder what her connection to the drug cartels and human trafficker's is.
 
Old 06-20-2018, 02:47 PM
 
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Children with their parents are not being separated. It's children with adults other than their parents that are being separated.
This is a lie.
 
Old 06-20-2018, 02:47 PM
 
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Lies, lies, lies.

ANY TRUMP SUPPORTERS CARE TO QUOTE ME AND DISCUSS?


https://twitter.com/kaitlancollins/s...17891476221958
Maybe they actually sat down and discussed the issue and came up with a stop gap solution - you know, like normal people when faced with an issue.

The Democrats in the Senate could easily wipe the issue away, but the families are not their main issue... Trump is.
 
Old 06-20-2018, 02:48 PM
 
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What part of


1 Last year, we held that the Flores Settlement applies to both accompanied and unaccompanied minors. See Flores v. Lynch,828F.3d898(9thCir.2016).

http://cdn.ca9.uscourts.gov/datastor...5/17-55208.pdf (see page 5)


are you not getting?
That footnote does not mean that there is or ever has been a "law" mandating that children be separated from their parents when their parents are picked up on a first offense of entering the country illegally. That was your original argument, which you have not been able to support.
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