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I am a Christian. I support separating children from their parents at the border 69 20.29%
I am a Christian. I do not support separating children from their parents at the border 80 23.53%
I am not a Christian. I support separating children from their parents at the border 59 17.35%
I am not a Christian. I do not support separating children from their parents at the border 132 38.82%
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Old 06-22-2018, 12:07 PM
 
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We are fortunate. And incredibly lucky. Our nation was one with abundant resources, and a stable government. Other people around the world haven't been born into the same circumstances. And trying to move your family somewhere safer, where you can work and provide for them, where your children can be safe and educated and have a future, isn't irresponsible.
It's irresponsible when you do it in an illegal manner. They are putting themselves at even more risk as when they get caught and have to be deported, at the border or even worse, years later when their kids have probably assimilated.

 
Old 06-22-2018, 12:11 PM
 
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But "stable government" isn't just something you trek over a mountain and "discover". You make it. And that's the point. It isn't a result of luck. As for resources, we are not by far the only country in this continent with resources. Mexico is rich in resources. As are many Latin American countries.
It isn't just luck, of course, but it is a result of a combination of circumstances. Our stable government isn't the result of me or you or any other individual's efforts. We are fortunate to have a system where we can air our grievances in a court system that has been perceived as fair and just for the most part. And that's not a given. There are many conservatives who don't think our courts are fair and just, but think they are tilted with a liberal bias. We are going through a period where conservatives are addressing what they perceive as the bias against them. Just as conservatives are airing their dissatisfaction with the fourth estate. The pendulum will swing the other way in a decade or so. That's part of the balancing act that gives us this stability. When people feel disenfranchised, when they feel that their voices are silenced, then you are on the path to instability. And that's one of the things that defines third-world countries. Large portions of their populations aren't represented in the government, don't have a voice in how their nations function, don't have any power. And when the corruption gets so bad, when their nation abuses them, they flee, in search of a better world for themselves and their families.

The discord on this political forum, on the radio and television airwaves, on the internet and in print, the discord doesn't signify instability, it reinforces the stability of our system. Many people around the world don't have that. And those people don't have the power to change their systems of government. And they may not have the knowledge to know what to change. What seems to work can be eating away the foundations of their society. And what seems to be problematic may be opportunities that largely are missed.
 
Old 06-22-2018, 12:12 PM
 
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Of COURSE the photo is a lie. Even a left-wing, Trump hating, progressive bleeding heart knows that Donald Trump never stood in front of that little girl.

That doesn't address the lie by omission, by cropping out her mother that was standing right there.
It doesn't matter that it was a lie. The picture was suppose to be "symbolic" anyway
 
Old 06-22-2018, 12:16 PM
 
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I think individual medical records are protected, by law. But then you knew that, right? Because your strategy is to ask for something impossible to get, and to ignore the ample evidence of years of psychologicla studies that tells us that children are traumatized when separated from their parents.

In the meantime, you didn't post evidence that TIME magazine LIED about the photo. YOU are lying.
So in otherwords you have no clue, evidence or fact based that anyone is "psychologically damaged?" Right? Then why gin up that claim knowing that someone might call you out on it?

You're lying, and you're backing a lie, and continue to back it, regardless of how many people call you out on it and post proof that it was a lie.

here's the fact check again.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/im...ver-separated/

Trump wasn't standing in front of a crying child...

And the picture/soundtrack of the crying and the child was never "separated" from their parent.

That's basically the gist of proving why you are wrong and why you are struggling here.
 
Old 06-22-2018, 12:17 PM
 
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It doesn't matter that it was a lie. The picture was suppose to be "symbolic" anyway
yep. don't tell anyone that the little girl was 5 inches away from mommy the whole time
 
Old 06-22-2018, 12:20 PM
 
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Just did.
Um, no, you didn't.
 
Old 06-22-2018, 12:22 PM
 
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Of COURSE the photo is a lie. Even a left-wing, Trump hating, progressive bleeding heart knows that Donald Trump never stood in front of that little girl.

That doesn't address the lie by omission, by cropping out her mother that was standing right there.
The photo doesn't show Donald Trump standing in front of that little girl. Why do you have to lie about the photo?

The photo is just a photo. It doesn't lie.
 
Old 06-22-2018, 12:23 PM
 
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Um, no, you didn't.
then you simply can't read. Which leads to you having more problems...
 
Old 06-22-2018, 12:24 PM
 
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It's irresponsible when you do it in an illegal manner. They are putting themselves at even more risk as when they get caught and have to be deported, at the border or even worse, years later when their kids have probably assimilated.
Desperate people resort to desperate measures.

Our immigration system is broken and needs to be fixed. But isolationism is not a responsible solution.
 
Old 06-22-2018, 12:24 PM
 
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yeah but the fact that it looked that way, even if it wasn't, was for the greater good
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