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I am a Christian. I support separating children from their parents at the border 69 20.29%
I am a Christian. I do not support separating children from their parents at the border 80 23.53%
I am not a Christian. I support separating children from their parents at the border 59 17.35%
I am not a Christian. I do not support separating children from their parents at the border 132 38.82%
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Old 06-30-2018, 08:26 PM
 
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Since when did the poem on the Statue of Liberty make it ok to violate our modern day immigration laws? It also said to come via the golden door not the back door like a thief in the night. No poem or statue overrides our immigration laws.
It is a misdemeanor to come across the border without proper clearance. It is an accepted part of current law and international treaty that ANY one that comes into the country can ask for asylum, and MUST be treated according to those laws and treaties.

Have you asked yourself why no other country, including those S**** hole countries Trump rails against, separates families? How can they abide by those treaties and humanitarian values, and the USA can't?

 
Old 06-30-2018, 08:43 PM
 
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What you don't get is that the xenophobia didn't start with the death camps, it started much earlier with the demonization and dehumanization of an entire group.

NEVER AGAIN means calling out when the groundwork is attempted to be laid. It's too late if one let it grow and fester.

A civilized nation that believes in and upholds humanitarian values will never allow the type of thing that is going on right now. NEVER AGAIN.

And maybe you're seeing shapes in the clouds? Your imagination that what you see today is some kind of early stage of what you fear will happen is your problem. People have been declaring such things since time began. And capitalizing and repeating some mantra does not give you any greater strength or righteousness. Our immigration laws are among the most lenient of any country but enforcing even those are seen by people like you as an act of racism.
 
Old 06-30-2018, 08:45 PM
 
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Don’t care who started it liberal or conservatives it’s wrong!
But many times the children who are apprehended at the border are not the biological children of the adults they are with. Oftentimes the adults bring them because they believe that U.S. authorities would "go easy" on them.

I know it sounds mean to point this out or to say anything that makes these illegal aliens look like anything other than sorry victims, but the truth of the matter is: there are a lot of dishonest tactics being employed to abuse the U.S. system. There are a TON of dishonest and crooked folks in this world and if circumventing U.S. laws is part of what they must do to get what they want, so be it. The media does not point this out and those who are indignant about the situation overlook it.

Furthermore, this was all occurring when Obama was in charge. Why did NOBODY complain then?
 
Old 06-30-2018, 08:54 PM
 
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The U.S. is a sovereign country and it has the legal and moral right to defend and to secure its borders. Illegal aliens cost taxpayers billions every year.

When Barack Obama and Bill Clinton were in the White House, they spoke to Congress about addressing illegal immigration. It is only because Donald Trump (in his unique, blunt, and in-your-face terms) brought the issue of illegal immigration to the forefront of American politics in a way no one imagined would happened that the left has gone so far left on this. Had Jeb Bush or Marco Rubio or even Ted Cruz become president, the left wouldn't be out marching "no borders no nations f*** deportations" because the effort to crack down on illegal aliens wouldn't have happened.

I also would like to know - if other countries have restrictive laws on immigration, why is it wrong for the U.S. to do so? Has anyone here read the Mexican legal system's regulations on immigration? If not, all of you who are liberals and/or want open borders and/or think Trump is mean should read it. You would blow a gasket. But because it's not America, who cares.
 
Old 06-30-2018, 09:05 PM
 
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The U.S. is a sovereign country and it has the legal and moral right to defend and to secure its borders. Illegal aliens cost taxpayers billions every year.

When Barack Obama and Bill Clinton were in the White House, they spoke to Congress about addressing illegal immigration. It is only because Donald Trump (in his unique, blunt, and in-your-face terms) brought the issue of illegal immigration to the forefront of American politics in a way no one imagined would happened that the left has gone so far left on this. Had Jeb Bush or Marco Rubio or even Ted Cruz become president, the left wouldn't be out marching "no borders no nations f*** deportations" because the effort to crack down on illegal aliens wouldn't have happened.

I also would like to know - if other countries have restrictive laws on immigration, why is it wrong for the U.S. to do so? Has anyone here read the Mexican legal system's regulations on immigration? If not, all of you who are liberals and/or want open borders and/or think Trump is mean should read it. You would blow a gasket. But because it's not America, who cares.
Name one other country in the world, just one other one, that separates children from their parents of asylum seekers.

Just. One. Other. One.
 
Old 06-30-2018, 09:09 PM
 
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And maybe you're seeing shapes in the clouds? Your imagination that what you see today is some kind of early stage of what you fear will happen is your problem. People have been declaring such things since time began. And capitalizing and repeating some mantra does not give you any greater strength or righteousness. Our immigration laws are among the most lenient of any country but enforcing even those are seen by people like you as an act of racism.
It doesn't matter if you think the immigration laws are the most lenient (they are not, but that is irrelevant). What matters is the demonization of an entire group of people, the dehumanization of them, and the way they are treated.

NEVER AGAIN can we, as a people of this world, allow the groundwork to be established for what has happened in the past. Conservatives USED to be the strongest proponents of this, it is what WWII was fought for and won, and the democratization of Europe that the USA pushed for.

That was the America everyone looked up to and was proud of. Not what is happening now.
 
Old 06-30-2018, 09:11 PM
 
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Here how refugees are treated in Canada, right next door.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calga...730235?cmp=rss
 
Old 06-30-2018, 09:18 PM
 
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It doesn't matter if you think the immigration laws are the most lenient (they are not, but that is irrelevant). What matters is the demonization of an entire group of people, the dehumanization of them, and the way they are treated.

NEVER AGAIN can we, as a people of this world, allow the groundwork to be established for what has happened in the past. Conservatives USED to be the strongest proponents of this, it is what WWII was fought for and won, and the democratization of Europe that the USA pushed for.

That was the America everyone looked up to and was proud of. Not what is happening now.
This is a serious issue for thought, not slogans. See Colonialism v. Immigration v. National Borders v. Compassion - What's the Solution?


"Compassion" dictates throwing open the gates. Common sense dictates ensuring that the influx is manageable and that we get the best people. This, unfortunately, entails policies that most thinking people consider heartless. The tension between people who emphasize "heart" and those who emphasize "head" is enormous and divides people from their friends and colleagues.Rhetoric such as yours in unhelpful.
 
Old 06-30-2018, 09:53 PM
 
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Name one other country in the world, just one other one, that separates children from their parents of asylum seekers.

Just. One. Other. One.
They're not asylum seekers; they're illegal aliens. Asylum seekers are a different situation and the media has conflated both into one.
 
Old 06-30-2018, 09:56 PM
 
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This is a serious issue for thought, not slogans. See Colonialism v. Immigration v. National Borders v. Compassion - What's the Solution?


"Compassion" dictates throwing open the gates. Common sense dictates ensuring that the influx is manageable and that we get the best people. This, unfortunately, entails policies that most thinking people consider heartless. The tension between people who emphasize "heart" and those who emphasize "head" is enormous and divides people from their friends and colleagues.Rhetoric such as yours in unhelpful.
America can't let everybody in.

Why is it that only the U.S. and other European-offshoot countries are burdened with such high demands and expectations? Where are the calls for Israel, Saudi Arabia, Japan, China, Russia, Nigeria, Egypt, etc., to open their doors to illegal aliens? Why is it only America that is targeted with so many demands?

And why is it that America has so many people within it who demand that America abrogate its own sovereignty and let its borders be open? Why?
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