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That's a great point if it were true. But its not since parents are arrested for crossing the border illegally and therefore separated since we don't throw kids in jail, not as you claim for wait for asylum hearings.
Can you at least acknowledge that people cross the border illegally or is everyone that doesn't go through the border entry an asylum seeker? Can you acknowledge that people that are arrested are separated from their families everywhere since forever?
You should read this comprehensive article, complete with links to the Court decisions themselves, to bring yourself up to speed on this. The Government has been holding all illegal border crossers, whether asylum seekers or not, in detention. But the Government is supposed to use prosecutorial discretion to determine whether an individual migrant (including illegal border crossers) is a security risk or is likely to skip out on a court date. Parents who pose a low risk are supposed to be released with their kids. Only parents who are deemed objectively risky should be forced to choose whether their kids are detained with them or released alone (or to HHS).
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We shouldn't punish millions of guns owners because of the actions of a tiny amount of people is my point but lets just forget that.
Who is "punishing" millions of gun owners? To what "punishment" are the subjected?
At the risk of repeating myself these parents had to have crossed at some place other than a port of entry not once, but twice. They knew they were committing a felony. Taking children to a crime scene while committing a crime is child abuse. Bad things can happen at a crime scene.
"That it is better one hundred guilty persons should escape than one innocent person should suffer, is a maxim that has been long and generally approved."
- Benjamin Franklin.
Approved by whom? Maybe he just made it up? And it doesn't take into account all the additional crimes and additional suffering caused by the guilty who escape.
At the risk of repeating myself these parents had to have crossed at some place other than a port of entry not once, but twice. They knew they were committing a felony. Taking children to a crime scene while committing a crime is child abuse. Bad things can happen at a crime scene.
Can I be clearer?
You first of all have no evidence that parent crossed twice.
They are not committing a felony. It's a misdemeanor. Terminology counts. Quit exaggerating.
For the first improper entry offense, the person can be fined (as a criminal or civil penalty), or imprisoned for up to six months, or both. This is considered a misdemeanor under federal law (18 U.S.C.A. § 3559).
For a subsequent offense, or a reentry (or attempted reentry) after exclusion or deportation, the person can be fined or imprisoned for up to two years, or both. (See 8 U.S.C. Section 1325, 1326, I.N.A. Section 275, 276.) This is considered a low-level felony under federal law (18 U.S.C.A. § 3559).
You first of all have no evidence that parent crossed twice.
They are not committing a felony. It's a misdemeanor. Terminology counts. Quit exaggerating.
For the first improper entry offense, the person can be fined (as a criminal or civil penalty), or imprisoned for up to six months, or both. This is considered a misdemeanor under federal law (18 U.S.C.A. § 3559).
For a subsequent offense, or a reentry (or attempted reentry) after exclusion or deportation, the person can be fined or imprisoned for up to two years, or both. (See 8 U.S.C. Section 1325, 1326, I.N.A. Section 275, 276.) This is considered a low-level felony under federal law (18 U.S.C.A. § 3559).
So you agree. The second crossing is a felony. Involving your children in a felony is child abuse.
should have grabbed the birth certificates. One would think that would be an important document when "seeking asylum" in another country. I need one of those things when I take my kid to enroll in school, put him on my insurance, take his learners permit, get a physical, etc. etc. I had to show BC to prove his age when he entered a hoop shoot for Gods sake.
As per court transcripts, whatever documentation they had was taken from them when the children were taken.
As per court transcripts, whatever documentation they had was taken from them when the children were taken.
When you leave your country, do you really think those people had any documentation...if they are coming from 3rd world countries, I mean, a lot of those people were born in poverty, in the desserts, and in a one room shack...do you honestly think they have any documentation, not to mention, on their persons? My son who worked in Afghanistan, told me a lot of those people didn't even know how old they are, what year they were born...the names of their fathers...as rape is common practice in some of those countries.
See we have no idea. we expect people to grow up as we have, but they don't...a lot of them grow up in a criminal environment...that's all they know, relate to and practice...
When you leave your country, do you really think those people had any documentation...if they are coming from 3rd world countries, I mean, a lot of those people were born in poverty, in the desserts, and in a one room shack...do you honestly think they have any documentation, not to mention, on their persons? My son who worked in Afghanistan, told me a lot of those people didn't even know how old they are, what year they were born...the names of their fathers...as rape is common practice in some of those countries.
See we have no idea. we expect people to grow up as we have, but they don't...a lot of them grow up in a criminal environment...that's all they know, relate to and practice...
"“When these families come in, Customs and Border Protection takes away the documents from parents and puts them in their file,” Garcia said. “In the cases where they’ve been separated from their children, ORR then says, ‘You’re going to need to provide the documents that CBP took.’”"
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