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Old 10-29-2018, 07:49 AM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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Agree. There were once cities and towns throughout the Arab world in which there was a significant Jewish population. They are now essentially "Judenfree," and let's just say the Jews didn't leave because they had it so good. Many were chased out, and their property stolen.

The fact that some people are targeting Israel for condemnation when other countries are so much worse, and receive barely a mention, has underlying antisemitism at its roots (in many instances).
This is nonsensical BS. Iran is not Arab, in talking about Arabs.

Persians have all been united under their country banner with Jews, Christans, and Muslims all coexisting peacefully.

The failure of the Arab states and Israel to achieve such equilibrium (US allies) is not the fault of Iran. Israel is far closer to another Arab dictatorship than any other.
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Old 10-29-2018, 07:52 AM
 
Location: NJ/NY
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What BS, Jews are happy in Iran, and they love their country. You’re talking about pro-shah elites who left Iran after the revolution, it’s anti-Semitic to assume all Jews are rich shah supporters:

This is the real Iran, not the one you’ve been brainwashed to see by the media:


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dUP571KQyRQ
If they are so happy, why did they all leave?

There are hardly any left.

As I said, there are more Iranian Jews in Beverly Hills than there are in Iran. They all fled to the USA and Israel. I know many of them and they all have horrible things to say about the way Iran treated them.
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Old 10-29-2018, 07:55 AM
 
Location: New York Area
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Iran gives Jews the same rights as Muslims even though it is culturally Islamic.
Not true.

Ever here of "dhimmitude"? The definition of "dhimmi" in the Oxford Islamic Studies online dictionary (link) is as follows:
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Dhimmi-Non-Muslim under protection of Muslim law. A covenant of protection was made with conquered “Peoples of the Book,” which included Jews, Christians, Sabaeans, and sometimes Zoroastrians and Hindus. Adult male dhimmis were required to pay a tax on their income and sometimes on their land. Restrictions and regulations in dress, occupation, and residence were often applied. In return, Islam offered dhimmis security of life and property, defense against enemies, communal self-government, and freedom of religious practice. In the modern period, dhimmi status has declined in importance as a result of the formation of nation-states and Western or quasi-Western legal codes.
This is second-class citizenship. Other Islamic nations such as Saudi Arabia flatly do not allow Jewish residency..
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Old 10-29-2018, 07:55 AM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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I asked a simple question: If Egypt and Syria and Iran can be Arab/Muslim by definition, why Israel cannot be Jewish?

And about Iran: Really? Same rights? Can a Jew become the Supreme Leader?
1. I have no doubt that Israel and Arab states are equally racist and treat their minority as underclass members, but Iran is the one country that bucks that trend, and as such is the one country the Americans want to destroy.

2. Nothing is stopping them, and Jews and Christians have permanent seats in the majlis. That is far more democracy than you’ll find in the ‘jewis State’ of Israel.

Also, how are Palestinians in occupied territory treated?
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Old 10-29-2018, 07:58 AM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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Not true.


Ever here of "dhimmitude"? The definition of "dhimmi" in the Oxford Islamic Studies online dictionary (link) is as follows:

This is second-class citizenship. Other Islamic nations such as Saudi Arabia flatly do not allow Jewish residency..
Iran, unlike the terrorists states of the KSA and Israel doesn’t practice such societal sanctions.
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Old 10-29-2018, 07:58 AM
 
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I actually don't know.

Israel strikes Iranian targets in Syria in response to rocket fire - BBC News

Most people will say it was a proper response to Iran's strike but then you'd have to concede that Israel, unprovoked, attacked Iran first and Iran's strike was in Syrian territory occupied by Israel.
uhm. Iran has a stated STATE position of the distruction if Israel as a nation. Israel cannot "strike first"


That's not possible. Irans cants of "death to Israel and their national goal of wiping Israel from the face of the earth give Israel 100% moral authority to do whatever they feel they need to do to prevent that. Up to and including invading Iran and destroying their capacity to wage war. Period. there is no room for discussion.
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Old 10-29-2018, 07:59 AM
 
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This is nonsensical BS. Iran is not Arab, in talking about Arabs.

Persians have all been united under their country banner with Jews, Christans, and Muslims all coexisting peacefully.

The failure of the Arab states and Israel to achieve such equilibrium (US allies) is not the fault of Iran. Israel is far closer to another Arab dictatorship than any other.
I'm asking you again:

If Egypt and Syria and Iran can be Arab/Muslim by definition, why Israel cannot be Jewish?

And about Iran: Really? Same rights? Can a Jew become the Supreme Leader?
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Old 10-29-2018, 08:00 AM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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If they are so happy, why did they all leave?

There are hardly any left.

As I said, there are more Iranian Jews in Beverly Hills than there are in Iran. They all fled to the USA and Israel. I know many of them and they all have horrible things to say about the way Iran treated them.
They didn’t all leave. And anyone you may have talked to left during the revolution, things have settled down since then.

Jews are incredibly happy in Iran and are free to practice their religion unlike in Authoritarian states like Israel where the Jewish race reigns supreme.

Iran is far more democratic than Israel, and that is why people like you want to destroy her.
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Old 10-29-2018, 08:01 AM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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I'm asking you again:

If Egypt and Syria and Iran can be Arab/Muslim by definition, why Israel cannot be Jewish?

And about Iran: Really? Same rights? Can a Jew become the Supreme Leader?
That is the same question I already answered, and you’re replying to a different post. Look for 10 seconds and you’ll find it.
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Old 10-29-2018, 08:05 AM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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uhm. Iran has a stated STATE position of the distruction if Israel as a nation. Israel cannot "strike first"


That's not possible. Irans cants of "death to Israel and their national goal of wiping Israel from the face of the earth give Israel 100% moral authority to do whatever they feel they need to do to prevent that. Up to and including invading Iran and destroying their capacity to wage war. Period. there is no room for discussion.
And that shows how ignorant you are of politics, and how your own ignorance will lead to the destruction of a nation.

Iran doesn’t want to destroy Israel, we’ve been over this a million times. They don’t want to see a ‘Jewish state’ which is very different. That means they don’t legitimize an apartheid state, and want the land of Israel to be shared amongst its citizens regardless of race. In this case, Iran holds a much more moral position than you.

You happen to think Israel should dominate over Muslim and Christian citizens just for the sake of being Jew. That is racist beyond proportions and you should apologize.
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