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Old 05-13-2018, 06:54 PM
 
Location: AZ
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Blackwater was a private contractor hired by the U.S. government and paid with taxpayer money. As such, we were forced at gunpoint to subsidize private industry.

There's a word for that--fascism.
“Forced at gubpoint”? By whom?
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Old 05-13-2018, 07:00 PM
 
Location: Just over the horizon
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“Forced at gubpoint”? By whom?




Taxation is backed up by men with guns.

If it weren't, there would be no way to enforce it.

Think that's extreme?

Try testing out the theory, refuse to pay your property taxes.

When they come to collect them, refuse to pay again.

When they try to evict you, refuse to leave.

Men with guns will come to arrest you and forcefully remove you from your property.
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Old 05-13-2018, 07:12 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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Did I not state “private industry” clearly enough? Yes, it’s a private corporation that has government contracts.
It's a subsidized crony capitalist outfit.

That's what crony capitalists do: curry favor with the government to protect them when they go out into the "private sector".
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Old 05-13-2018, 07:29 PM
 
Location: East Coast of the United States
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The two things have absolutely nothing to do with each other.
Baltimore, St. Louis, Detroit, New Orleans and other cities would not have anything close to the homicide rates that they have if the police were able to aggressively crack down on the crime in those cities.

The police are powerless to tackle the gangs and drug-related crime.
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Old 05-13-2018, 07:47 PM
 
Location: Madison, WI
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Did I not state “private industry” clearly enough? Yes, it’s a private corporation that has government contracts.
And rebeldor's point is that a police/security organization that has to compete for your voluntary payments will be superior to a monopoly that forces you to pay them.
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Old 05-13-2018, 07:48 PM
 
Location: Honolulu, HI
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I respect our great police, thank them for their service, and will continue to hold them in high esteem until proven otherwise.

I don't see the OP patrolling southside Chicago.
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Old 05-13-2018, 07:50 PM
 
Location: Tri STATE!!!
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That's actually a conservative belief, not a myth.

Just because the whiney-ass liberals keep getting themselves in trouble because they don't know when to shut and follow lawful orders doesn't mean they get to declare that police officers are the enemy of all mankind.

Police officers are mostly conservative. That's a fact. Obama announced that "The Cambridge Police were acting stupidly" and every whiney-ass liberal in America followed his lead. It was probably the stupidest thing I have ever seen a president do. The echos of Obama's stupidity are heard today.
I'm so confused........ I'm glad you think that we should all just follow orders. I'm sure you will say that when Muller kicks in Guliani s door....
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Old 05-13-2018, 07:51 PM
 
Location: Madison, WI
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Baltimore, St. Louis, Detroit, New Orleans and other cities would not have anything close to the homicide rates that they have if the police were able to aggressively crack down on the crime in those cities.

The police are powerless to tackle the gangs and drug-related crime.
Or even better, end the drug war so police don't need to crack down...but the drug war is job security for many of them, so I don't see that happening.
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Old 05-13-2018, 07:52 PM
 
Location: Tri STATE!!!
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Taxation is backed up by men with guns.

If it weren't, there would be no way to enforce it.

Think that's extreme?

Try testing out the theory, refuse to pay your property taxes.

When they come to collect them, refuse to pay again.

When they try to evict you, refuse to leave.

Men with guns will come to arrest you and forcefully remove you from your property.
That is absolutely true...... That also goes for unpaid traffic tickets and fines and a whole lot of other things. Men with guns will come MAKE you comply.
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Old 05-13-2018, 08:30 PM
 
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Who, exactly, are "those" people?
Take a wild guess.
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Baltimore, St. Louis, Detroit, New Orleans and other cities would not have anything close to the homicide rates that they have if the police were able to aggressively crack down on the crime in those cities.

The police are powerless to tackle the gangs and drug-related crime.
Nonsense. All of those departments were cracking skulls while crime got out of control.
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