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Old 05-17-2018, 10:27 AM
 
Location: Vancouver
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In the UK we have around 70 per year, US around 20'000, that's more than 200X!!!! , of course it varies from time to time but it is ALWAYS going to be exceptionally enormously huge in difference unless you do something (anything) about your ridiculous gun laws. If you seriously want people to believe that having an armed population works on ANY level you will have to come back to me when the US has less gun deaths per head of population than any of the other first world nations - I don't expect I will be hearing from you again!!
This site keeps track. You can look at past years.

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Old 05-17-2018, 10:42 AM
 
Location: San Jose
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But you do! Especially compared to other first world countries! The difference is massive! You do want to be compared to first world countries don't you?


https://www.vox.com/policy-and-polit...cs-maps-charts


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It basically boils down to the percentage of gun owners within the general population. The more guns spread amongst a greater percentage of the population will result in more gun homicides. Its so simple and straightforward.
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Old 05-17-2018, 11:00 AM
 
Location: Morrison, CO
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It basically boils down to the percentage of gun owners within the general population. The more guns spread amongst a greater percentage of the population will result in more gun homicides. Its so simple and straightforward.
I don't agree, because the vast majority of firearms are bought and owned by the Law Abiding. Focus on criminals that acquire guns illegally. Don't let them out of jail in a few months with an ankle bracelet.
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Old 05-17-2018, 11:14 AM
 
Location: San Jose
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I don't agree, because the vast majority of firearms are bought and owned by the Law Abiding. Focus on criminals that acquire guns illegally. Don't let them out of jail in a few months with an ankle bracelet.
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Old 05-17-2018, 11:56 AM
 
Location: SE UK
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It basically boils down to the percentage of gun owners within the general population. The more guns spread amongst a greater percentage of the population will result in more gun homicides. Its so simple and straightforward.
Yep! And yet for some strange reason (some) people seem to find it so hard to grasp!
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Old 05-17-2018, 05:50 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Key word here is first world. A country like Nigeria can’t even get 5% of the population paying taxes and you expect gun bans... same with Brazil with essentially areas in the Amazon were natives do whatever they want to outsiders.

The only saving grace for America is that in the last 15 years Chile has went from a developing country to becoming a developed country and as a result is the only developed country with crime like the U.S, but it still manages to have a lower murder rate than America with a rate of 2.7 murders per 100,000
Again, if more guns equals more crime then we should be on top regardless if we are first world or not. In fact the fact that we have so many guns should make us counted as a third wolrd nation with all the crime that should be going on. Also there's tge fact that our violent crime rate is going down while gun sales are going up. I'm nlt claiming that the gun sales contributed to low crime, but it does dispel the myth of more guns, more crime.
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Old 05-17-2018, 05:54 PM
 
Location: Florida
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What difference does that make???? If we discounted all gun deaths in the UK that were in 'large cities' with strict gun laws the number would be practically zero!! There are thousands yes THOUSANDS of people in the USA losing their lives every year simply because of the ridiculous gun laws there, instead of trying to deny the un-deniable how about trying to do something about it?
What evidence do you have that it's our gun laws that's the problem? In order to provide evidence for your claim, list a law the US doesn't have that will reduce deaths proven by statistics.
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Old 05-17-2018, 07:52 PM
 
Location: Sinking in the Great Salt Lake
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"Pro gun poster here and against new gun control but it's just wrong to use a tragedy like this in an attempt to "prove" gun control doesn't work"


You have to be KIDDING!


EVERY time there is a shooting the ANTI-gun nuts can't wait to start with their BAN on guns when the bodies are still warm!


Sorry, if you CAN'T TAKE IT, DON' DISH IT OUT!
We have the moral high ground on the argument and don't need to dance on the bodies of the dead or resort to lies, manipulation and propaganda like the anti's do.

Why stoop to their level?
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Old 05-17-2018, 08:14 PM
 
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We have the moral high ground on the argument and don't need to dance on the bodies of the dead or resort to lies, manipulation and propaganda like the anti's do.

Why stoop to their level?
That would of course bring into question which agenda was being espoused by who started this "dancing on the bodies of the dead" thread.
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Old 05-19-2018, 06:21 AM
 
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That would of course bring into question which agenda was being espoused by who started this "dancing on the bodies of the dead" thread.

Correct.


There was shooting yesterday and look at the coverage it is getting.


Then look at the coverage the story got where a School Resource Officer STOPPED multiple deaths and injuries BECAUSE HE WAS ARMED AND CONFRONTED THE SHOOTER UNLIKE the guard AND police in Fla.


The bodies aren't even cold yet an the Lame Steam Media is ALL agog about gun "control".
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