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As for the kid being innocent, that is the justice system. He punched the teacher so he broke a law, but what made him doing it, snapping for no reason, trauma at home, the teacher used fighting words towards the student, previous issues with the teacher, just being genuinely crazy but masking it, a candidate for PBS classrooms? There are x-factors a court of law have to weed through before calling him guilty.
How much process is too much due process? What about the rights of teachers that want to teach, students that want to learn? Do those have to be subordinate to a psychological dissection of a disrupter?
While the accused have rights, doesn't society have rights? We're pouring school money literally down a rathole if we can't preserve a learning environment. And we wonder why many people are stuck in drug dealing or dead-end jobs.
Could they make it in society if they ever had an education, ever learned discipline?
Thread has its origins in 16-year-old Milwaukee student arrested after punching teacher in the head, and in particular some concerns about the well-being of the juvenile delinquent that assaulted the teacher for absolutely no good reason.
How much process is too much due process? What about the rights of teachers that want to teach, students that want to learn? Do those have to be subordinate to a psychological dissection of a disrupter?
While the accused have rights, doesn't society have rights? We're pouring school money literally down a rathole if we can't preserve a learning environment. And we wonder why many people are stuck in drug dealing or dead-end jobs.
Could they make it in society if they ever had an education, ever learned discipline?
a.) There's no such thing as too much due process (I'm talking to you, Trump).
b.) Societies don't have rights; nor do states. Only individuals have rights.
c.) Abolish all government schools. Homeschool, private school, and/or charity school.
d.) Drug-dealing is a capitalist-entrepreneurial endeavor that should be praised. Decriminalize all drugs and cartel/dealer violence goes away--just like with alcohol prohibition.
a.) There's no such thing as too much due process (I'm talking to you, Trump).
b.) Societies don't have rights; nor do states. Only individuals have rights.
c.) Abolish all government schools. Homeschool, private school, and/or charity school.
d.) Drug-dealing is a capitalist-entrepreneurial endeavor that should be praised. Decriminalize all drugs and cartel/dealer violence goes away--just like with alcohol prohibition.
So the other students have no right to an education if some hopped-up kid decides to leave the teacher a bloody mess?
No one has the "right" to anything except life, liberty, and property.
I pay local, state and federal taxes so that the children of those less fortunate than me can have an education, not so such a person can haul off at anyone they can get their hands on.
I pay local, state and federal taxes so that the children of those less fortunate than me can have an education, not so such a person can haul off at anyone they can get their hands on.
a.) Taxation is theft.
b.) The less fortunate can be better served by charity schools, homeschooling, or free-market schools.
Why do we waste taxpayer money on these schools, if we don't give the teacher a pull chain which links the parents, the welfare office, and the housing authority. Kid acts like monster, teacher contacts parents, parents don't care, teacher contacts welfare office, benefits are reduced, parent and kids moved to less desirable apartment or camp/group home environment with frequent drug testing. Give the teacher the power to punish, the ability to defend themselves from assault with force if necessary, without the worry about getting fired if they knock some kid on the floor. Detention was always a good tool to keep kids in check, how about downgrading a students lunch ticket for bad behavior? Hey kid, you acted up in my class today, so you get S on a shingle for lunch.
If we don't give the teachers power to control the classroom, why waste so much money on teachers? Separate the kids who want to learn from the ones who don't. Those who want to learn get real teachers, the others get a male guard, a big tough one. The guards get half the teachers pay, all they do is operate the video TV/projector which shows films about junkies going thru withdrawal symptoms, VD and HIV, life behind bars and prison life, maybe they teach shop classes or something which might lead to a job they could actually get out of high school. Never should any money be spent on the rejects for athletics programs or anything which costs a lot of money for equipment, including art supplies, music, computers and tablets, or any of that crap. Also, make sure those reject classrooms are a little short on heating and air conditioning. Those things are for good students who display civilized behavior, and want to learn.
Property taxes are expensive, why flush that money down the drain?
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Originally Posted by mofford
Yes, I agree they should have the chance to get back into the better classroom. With a guard present in the reject classroom, it should calm things down a little. Perhaps there should be a video link to the good classroom, so they can see what they are missing. The guards make the kids shut up and listen, but those kids who are rowdy never get to disturb the other classroom. Maybe there is some form of audio link where the teacher calls on those in the reject class to participate. Guard encourages kids to behave, evaluates the students which are improving and those who promise to not act up in class eventually get bumped up at the beginning of the next semester. You still have to do your time for the crime, lol. It would be better to get socialism out of the schools and put capitalist ideas back in there. That's really what I'm talking about here. Instant feedback, up and down, punishment and reward. Kids think about what happens today, not what might happen to them when they turn 18.
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