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Old 03-27-2018, 01:55 AM
 
Location: Prepperland
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IDEOLOGICAL THIEVES
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A popular mantra among the Left Wing is that NO ONE CAN OWN LAND.

That is completely wrong.

Without absolute ownership and the right to exclude others, there is nothing to stop predation and vandalism.

Without the "right to own" the farmer has no "right" to exclude the herdsman from trampling his crops with his herd. The herdsman has no "right" to prevent hunters from killing and taking his animals. All that remains are primitive hunter - gatherers in perpetual conflict over the planet "nobody can own."

Ownership and exclusion are vital to civilization.
No piece of land can simultaneously be used for shelter, grazing, farming, hunting, gathering, wildlife, and / or transportation.

The REAL GOAL of the Left Wing is to persuade the owners to surrender ownership to the collectivist STATE, so it can rule the (m)asses.

Do not fall for it. Defend absolute ownership of private property, for if you can’t absolutely own yourself, your labor, and the fruits of that labor, who does own you and yours?

(You have no right to life, if you have no land upon which to live! All you have is a privilege, subject to the landlord. And your progeny will have no nation to live within, when others take the land for their own posterity.)
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Old 03-27-2018, 02:02 AM
 
Location: Morrison, CO
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Ever hear of Real Estate, and Property Taxes? Ever since they have been enacted in the U.S. we've not owned our land. The amount I pay in Real Estate taxes on my property equates to the rental of a nice apartment in my area. Essentially, we rent our property from the Government. Watch what happens if you don't pay your taxes.
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Old 03-27-2018, 02:08 AM
 
Location: Prepperland
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Ever hear of Real Estate, and Property Taxes? Ever since they have been enacted in the U.S. we've not owned our land. The amount I pay in Real Estate taxes on my property equates to the rental of a nice apartment in my area. Essentially, we rent our property from the Government. Watch what happens if you don't pay your taxes.
Only private property is constitutionally protected.
Qualified ownership of estate (real estate) is a revenue taxable privilege.
"PRIVATE PROPERTY - As protected from being taken for public uses, is such property as belongs absolutely to an individual, and of which he has the exclusive right of disposition. Property of a specific, fixed and tangible nature, capable of being in possession and transmitted to another, such as houses, lands, and chattels."
- - - Black's Law dictionary, sixth ed., p.1217

"OWNERSHIP - ... Ownership of property is either absolute or qualified. The ownership of property is absolute when a single person has the absolute dominion over it... The ownership is qualified when it is shared with one or more persons, when the time of enjoyment is deferred or limited, or when the use is restricted. "
- - -Black's Law dictionary, sixth ed., p. 1106
By these definitions, we can see that private property is absolutely owned by an individual. More than one owner makes it NOT private property. When ownership is limited or restricted, it is NOT private property.
LAND. ... The land is one thing, and the estate in land is another thing, for an estate in land is a time in land or land for a time.
- - -Black's Law dictionary, sixth ed., p.877

"ESTATE - The degree, quantity, nature and extent of interest which a person has in real and personal property. An estate in lands, tenements, and hereditaments signifies such interest as the tenant has therein."
Black's Law dictionary, sixth ed., p.547

"REAL ESTATE .... is synonymous with real property"
Black's Law dictionary, sixth ed., p.1263

"REAL PROPERTY ... A general term for lands, tenements, heriditaments; which on the death of the owner intestate, passes to his heir."
Black's Law dictionary, sixth ed., p.1218
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Estate is interest in "real and personal property", which boils down to qualified ownership.
PROPERTY TAX - "An ad valorem tax, usually levied by a city or county, on the value of real or personal property that the taxpayer owns on a specified date."
Black's Law dictionary, sixth ed., p.1218
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Amendment V, US Constitution 1789
... nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.
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" PERSONAL LIBERTY, or the Right to enjoyment of life and liberty, is one of the fundamental or NATURAL Rights, which has been protected by its inclusion as a guarantee in the various constitutions, which is not derived from, or dependent on, the U.S. Constitution, which may not be submitted to a vote and may not depend on the outcome of an election. It is one of the most sacred and valuable Rights, as sacred as the Right to private property...and is regarded as inalienable."
- - - 16 Corpus Juris Secundum, Constitutional Law, Sect.202, p.987
Check your own state’s constitution and laws regarding the delegated power to tax. You should find that the power is limited in scope to estate held with qualified ownership, and not applicable to private property.

Of course, if you're a voluntary socialist, you have waived that endowed right.
From the Communist manifesto: "In this sense, the theory of the Communists may be summed up in the single sentence: Abolition of private property."
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If government can take your property and not pay just compensation, you know it's not private property !
Welcome to the People's Democratic Socialist Republic of America - - -
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Old 03-27-2018, 02:49 AM
 
Location: Columbia, SC
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IDEOLOGICAL THIEVES
=\\=\\=\\=\\=\\=
A popular mantra among the Left Wing is that NO ONE CAN OWN LAND.

That is completely wrong.

Without absolute ownership and the right to exclude others, there is nothing to stop predation and vandalism.

Without the "right to own" the farmer has no "right" to exclude the herdsman from trampling his crops with his herd. The herdsman has no "right" to prevent hunters from killing and taking his animals. All that remains are primitive hunter - gatherers in perpetual conflict over the planet "nobody can own."

Ownership and exclusion are vital to civilization.
No piece of land can simultaneously be used for shelter, grazing, farming, hunting, gathering, wildlife, and / or transportation.

The REAL GOAL of the Left Wing is to persuade the owners to surrender ownership to the collectivist STATE, so it can rule the (m)asses.

Do not fall for it. Defend absolute ownership of private property, for if you can’t absolutely own yourself, your labor, and the fruits of that labor, who does own you and yours?

(You have no right to life, if you have no land upon which to live! All you have is a privilege, subject to the landlord. And your progeny will have no nation to live within, when others take the land for their own posterity.)
I think your post went in the ditch out of the gate. Do you have a source of any type for this, or are you pulling it out of the clouds...?
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Old 03-27-2018, 03:03 AM
 
Location: Alberta, Canada
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You don't own your land. The Government does.

With that said, you do own certain rights upon your land. You hold title, which means that the federal government must deal with you, if it wishes to take it. Same for state governments; they must pay you if they wish to take it.

Property law is often said to be a "bundle of rights." That's true, because that's what property law is: I can allow you the right to intrude on my property in order to feed my cats and clean their litter boxes when I am on vacation, but I deny you the right to look through the dresser in my bedroom. As the property-holder, I can divest rights as necessary, and put a time limit on them. My cat-sitter knows that I allow him entry between Date X and Date Y, but he also knows that he may not enter after my return date from vacation.

It's simple, common-law stuff.
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Old 03-27-2018, 03:03 AM
 
Location: Prepperland
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I think your post went in the ditch out of the gate. Do you have a source of any type for this, or are you pulling it out of the clouds...?
From the Communist manifesto: "In this sense, the theory of the Communists may be summed up in the single sentence: Abolition of private property."
https://www.marxists.org/archive/mar...ist-manifesto/

And when government "takes" property and does not pay just compensation, it is prima facie evidence that the property is NOT private property, constitutionally protected. (See: Fifth amendment)

Connect the dots.
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Old 03-27-2018, 03:06 AM
 
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You don't own your land. The Government does.

With that said, you do own certain rights upon your land. You hold title, which means that the federal government must deal with you, if it wishes to take it. Same for state governments; they must pay you if they wish to take it.

Property law is often said to be a "bundle of rights." That's true, because that's what property law is: I can allow you the right to intrude on my property in order to feed my cats and clean their litter boxes when I am on vacation, but I deny you the right to look through the dresser in my bedroom. As the property-holder, I can divest rights as necessary, and put a time limit on them. My cat-sitter knows that I allow him entry between Date X and Date Y, but he also knows that he may not enter after my return date from vacation.

It's simple, common-law stuff.
Very true - for nations whose people are subjects.

INTERNATIONAL PRIVATE PROPERTY
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AMERICA VERSUS THE WORLD
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Property rights
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The world’s view of private property :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_property
“....Private property is a legal designation of the ownership of property by non-governmental legal entities. Private property is distinguishable from public property, which is owned by a state entity; and collective property, which is owned by a group of non-governmental entities.”
A non-government legal entity can own “private property,” as distinguished from government ownership of “public property.”

America’s view of private property:
"PRIVATE PROPERTY - As protected from being taken for public uses, is such property as belongs absolutely to an individual, and of which he has the exclusive right of disposition. Property of a specific, fixed and tangible nature, capable of being in possession and transmitted to another, such as houses, lands, and chattels."
- - - Black's Law dictionary, sixth ed., p.1217.

"OWNERSHIP - ... Ownership of property is either absolute or qualified. The ownership of property is absolute when a single person has the absolute dominion over it... The ownership is qualified when it is shared with one or more persons, when the time of enjoyment is deferred or limited, or when the use is restricted. "
- - -Black's Law dictionary, sixth ed., p. 1106
NOTE: Only in American law is private property absolutely owned. In other nations, "private property" only refers to property not owned by government.

This, dear readers, is why the enemies of America have spent decades and fortunes eradicating the republican form and the notion of absolute ownership. If ever we restored our status, and our private property rights, we would inspire other peoples to do likewise.

The Powers That Be would be most upset.
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Old 03-27-2018, 03:24 AM
 
Location: Alberta, Canada
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Only private property is constitutionally protected....
Tell me, Jetgraphics, are you a sovereign citizen, or a freeman-on-the-land? Because if not, you sure sound like one.

Citing Black's Law Dictionary (any edition) tends to be a sure sign of sovereign/freeman nuttery. Every lawyer knows that Black's is a valuable resource, but useless in court. I'll admit to using Black's when I was a law student, just to understand something, but I'll also admit to never citing it in moot court, or in real courts, once I passed the bar and got my license.

You seem to like to cite to Black's, but here's the thing: Black's holds no weight in real courts, except perhaps for definitions of legal terms. On the ladder of legal sources, Black's ranks perhaps last. If I used Black's in court, I'd be laughed out of court.
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Old 03-27-2018, 03:27 AM
 
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Where do you get your ideas about the Left? In general, Leftists have no interest in old-style, autocratic, USSR-type government ownership control of everything. That's from 70 years ago.
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Old 03-27-2018, 03:37 AM
 
Location: Texas Hill Country
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Rather reminds me of "Tragedy of the Commons".....

....and the Codfish Wars........

........and many of the disputes about territorial waters and exclusive economic zones.
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