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Old 05-14-2018, 02:24 PM
 
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I don't care. If she is a cool character then that will be great. If she sucks then I won't be interested.
Basically this. I don't care what attributes writers choose for a character, I care if it is well written and entertaining or not.

?As if you could select some set of characteristics and that automatically makes it impossible to write an entertaining or engaging character?

Ridiculous.
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Old 05-14-2018, 02:29 PM
 
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I am surprised Stan Lee did not mandate that Captain America convert and undergo a sex change.



Sorry I could not resist.
Remember, Dizzney bought Marvel from Lee, they call most of the shots.
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Old 05-14-2018, 02:35 PM
 
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You're talking about a five-year-old comic book line, one of the few newer names that's been successful.

Not a new deal for comic book fans.
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Old 05-14-2018, 04:08 PM
 
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Really?

Ms. Marvel (Carol Danvers) - Marvel Comics Wiki
Ms. Marvel (Sharon Ventura)
Moonstone (Karla Sofen)
Ms Marvel disambiguation page

Kamala Khan gets powers from some mist and then just takes the name Ms Marvel, since in the Earth 616 timeline Danvers goes from Ms Marvel to Captain Marvel...who used to be a man, blah blah.

But for virtually the entire history of the character, 50 years this past March, Ms. Marvel was Carol Danvers. She didn't go Captain Marvel until 2012...or 44 years into the history of the character?
And since you want to post Wikipedia links, here’s one for for your reading pleasure.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ms._Marvel_(Kamala_Khan)

Using the Kamala Khan version as "Marvel now introduces new character, Ms. Marvel, the teenage Muslim girl!!" as the first coming of the character is virtue signaling at its finest, since they leave off the "after 44 years of Ms. Marvel being Carol Danvers, standard white American girl, we are now proud to present the new and socially approved version of Ms. Marvel..." qualifier that anyone who reads comic books can recognize as Hollywood washing comic book canon through their social justice filters.

Watch what happens though. Guarantee her backstory in whatever social justice approved nonsense the movie studio comes out with will dwell on Islamophobia, her being tormented by classmates, seeing anti-Muslim stuff on TV, blah blah. Just wait. It will be standard sermonizing as virtue signaling.

All for the most recent and least enduring version of that character name thus far, given that it rightly belongs to Carol Danvers.
Doesn’t prove what I said wasn’t false. For the past several years Carol has been Captain Marvel and the new girl Ms Marvel. In fact her costume in in honor of Carol’s Ms Marvel costume without being a direct copy nor as revealing.
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Old 05-14-2018, 04:26 PM
 
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Really?

Ms. Marvel (Carol Danvers) - Marvel Comics Wiki
Ms. Marvel (Sharon Ventura)
Moonstone (Karla Sofen)
Ms Marvel disambiguation page

Kamala Khan gets powers from some mist and then just takes the name Ms Marvel, since in the Earth 616 timeline Danvers goes from Ms Marvel to Captain Marvel...who used to be a man, blah blah.

But for virtually the entire history of the character, 50 years this past March, Ms. Marvel was Carol Danvers. She didn't go Captain Marvel until 2012...or 44 years into the history of the character?

Using the Kamala Khan version as "Marvel now introduces new character, Ms. Marvel, the teenage Muslim girl!!" as the first coming of the character is virtue signaling at its finest, since they leave off the "after 44 years of Ms. Marvel being Carol Danvers, standard white American girl, we are now proud to present the new and socially approved version of Ms. Marvel..." qualifier that anyone who reads comic books can recognize as Hollywood washing comic book canon through their social justice filters.

Watch what happens though. Guarantee her backstory in whatever social justice approved nonsense the movie studio comes out with will dwell on Islamophobia, her being tormented by classmates, seeing anti-Muslim stuff on TV, blah blah. Just wait. It will be standard sermonizing as virtue signaling.

All for the most recent and least enduring version of that character name thus far, given that it rightly belongs to Carol Danvers.
You missed Monica Rambeau.
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Old 05-14-2018, 06:39 PM
 
Location: Houston
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I get it..personal preference ect. It just seems there used to be occasional SH movies, now half the movies that come out involving someone having ridiculous magical powers.

There just isn't much real creativity or good writing anymore. Movies like My Cousin Vinnie, Scent of a Woman, Forest Gump.
I will agree with you to a point. Those movies you mentioned are very good, however, some of us like the fantasy stuff. It's fun to go to a movie and just veg out and not think about anything.

That being said, I'm on the fence as to whether or not I like the new Marvel universe. A big part of me sees the whole Avengers thing as becoming one convoluted mess before it's all over. Those super heroes have been my favorites since childhood. Seeing them all on the screen at the same time is a tad much. It's getting overly complicated and that's not what it's supposed to be about.

I shudder to think where Disney is going to take the Star Wars franchise.
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Old 05-14-2018, 07:21 PM
 
Location: Pacific NW
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Marvel Exec: Diversity to Blame for Comic Book Sales Slump – Variety
Marvel outrage after diversity, female characters blamed for sales | EW.com

So Marvel finds people aren't interested in "diverse" comic book heros, gets attacked for not being PC enough and now doubles down on diverse PC characters. That will surely increase sales...at Berkeley.
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Old 05-14-2018, 07:23 PM
 
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I will agree with you to a point. Those movies you mentioned are very good, however, some of us like the fantasy stuff. It's fun to go to a movie and just veg out and not think about anything.

That being said, I'm on the fence as to whether or not I like the new Marvel universe. A big part of me sees the whole Avengers thing as becoming one convoluted mess before it's all over. Those super heroes have been my favorites since childhood. Seeing them all on the screen at the same time is a tad much. It's getting overly complicated and that's not what it's supposed to be about.(
Didn't you ever read any of the many comic cross-overs and mash-ups?
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Old 05-14-2018, 07:24 PM
 
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Marvel Exec: Diversity to Blame for Comic Book Sales Slump – Variety
Marvel outrage after diversity, female characters blamed for sales | EW.com

So Marvel finds people aren't interested in "diverse" comic book heros, gets attacked for not being PC enough and now doubles down on diverse PC characters. That will surely increase sales...at Berkeley.
You realize you're reading year-old information, right? And Marvel comics has been making changes since then.
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Old 05-14-2018, 09:57 PM
 
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Yeah, she is/was popular...as Carol Danvers, standard white bread American girl , who at no point in any of her story arcs in the Avengers, XMen or any other book...is a Muslim.

This is Hollywood once again rewriting what we know from MCU canon in order to fit some absurd "annoy conservatives" agenda.
...you havne't kept up with comics recently, have you?

Kamela Khan took over the Ms Marvel mantle a few years back when Carol Danvers took on the Captain Marvel mantel. This isn't rewiritng, this is lifting straight from the comics. Especially since Carol has her own MCU movie coming out as Captain Marvel right before Avengers 4.
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