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Do some of you realize that you are defending people who react violently to the erection of a BUILDING? And blaming the people who built that building for the violence to boot? How about recognizing that the Palestinians bear responsibility for reacting violently to moving the embassy. Should the embassy be moved to Jerusalem or not? Tough question, but one that has been answered in the affirmative by the legal representatives of the American people. If it's not a good idea, then how about repealing the law that states that the embassy is to be located in Jerusalem instead of ignoring that law?
Liberals have to defend Palestinian terrorists and condemn Israel because they have to go against Trump. They don't care if doing so is anti-Semitic.
Most of the Palestinian people actually don't want to attack Israel. They don't care one way or the other about Israel. They'd be perfectly fine if they and Israel never had anything to do with each other, and each simply went on living their own lives, raising their kids etc.
And Israel feels the same way, as long as the Palestinians would quit their constant attacks.
It's the minority of Palestinian fanatics , and most of the their PLO government, who want to keep attacking and murdering Jews. They are the ones responsible for the violence over the embassy today.
When the PLO was first formed, it had a section of their charter that explicitly called for the annihilation of Israel. And despite years of diplomacy, pressure, negotiations etc., they have never removed it. It still calls for the complete destruction of Israel today.
Actually, under Apartheid, only whites had citizenship in Sud Afrika
Just for starters!
Until Mandela and a few other "terrorists" managed to get out of jail (after how long???) and lead their people toward overthrowing the whites who would be damned before giving up their power over the blacks, and damned they eventually were. The history of the world is largely that of wrong-doing and the inevitability of violence when people find the peaceful correction of wrong-doing impossible. All it takes is time. All too often all too much time until "enough becomes enough."
Liberals have to defend Palestinian terrorists and condemn Israel because they have to go against Trump. They don't care if doing so is anti-Semitic.
It is all about teaming up against Trump.
And some people have to make this a liberal vs conservative thing to further muddy the waters they really don't understand in the first place. Pointless to try and make sense in such a vacuum of insight but you do know there are even Jews who are strongly against Zionism for a wide variety of reasons, right? They too "anti-Semitic?" Sanders as well?
Much like expecting no better, it was only a matter of time before someone turned to the desperate argument of anti-Semitism. Ridiculous and shameful, but oh so common.
Thanks, however, because comments like these always help to remind me what better I have to do with my time! Signing off accordingly, not a moment too soon...
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Originally Posted by Roboteer
The problem is, to make peace between two sides, both side MUST be desirous of making peace.
With this Israel/Palestinians conflict, Israel wants peace, but the Palestinian govt and its fanatics do not. Their goal is the complete annihilation of Israel, no less. And the Palestinian fanatics will never agree to anything that might permanently stop the fighting.
Never.
So, how do you make peace in such a situation?
Israel doesn't want peace (at least Netanyahu doesn't); otherwise they wouldn't keep building settlements
I honestly feel we have only gotten involved because of the Holocaust. If Germany's Third Reich had never done what it did, Israel might not even exist.
And let's not forget that in the late 30's to the late 40's, that the British Mandate of Palestine (current Israel) was stormed with illegal immigrants from Europe fleeing Hitler. So the Palestinian Arabs were the majority in the area prior to the Holocaust.
Israel was established not only because the Holocaust but due to the active Zionist movement which started with Theodor Herzl several years prior to WW2.
The British Mandate of Palestine originally included Jordan which until this day has a Palestinian majority population and its ruling family was originally from Saudi Arabia. So technically one could say there is already an independent Palestinian Arab country called Jordan and why don't these Palestinians revolt against their non-Palestinian rulers?!
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Originally Posted by MMS02760
Lots of protests in Gaza today. Seems people there do not like being fenced in and having their movement restricted while living in what are essentially ghettos.
Since Gaza has a border with Egypt, why isn't their outcry against Egypt closing off their border with Gaza?!
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Originally Posted by LearnMe
What I think is that far too much wrong has been going on since the founding of Israel in 1947, even before then leading up to the birth of the nation. Far too much wrong instead of right that has aggravated tensions and violence rather than alleviated them. Infringed on civil rights rather than respected them, up to and including the killing of far too many people, combatants and innocents combined..
Seems Israel is "here to stay" but not in peace, that's for sure. No matter perhaps since maybe some things are "just hardwired into human beings." Not everyone, however, thinks that way or we would have never managed what difficult progress we HAVE made, since the Crusades, the Dark Ages, WWI, WWII...
Israel was established in May 1948 although the UN Partition Plan to create 2 states was voted upon in November 1947. It was the Palestinian Arabs' decision not to create a separate state when Israel was established.
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Originally Posted by stremba
Do some of you realize that you are defending people who react violently to the erection of a BUILDING? And blaming the people who built that building for the violence to boot? How about recognizing that the Palestinians bear responsibility for reacting violently to moving the embassy. Should the embassy be moved to Jerusalem or not? Tough question, but one that has been answered in the affirmative by the legal representatives of the American people. If it's not a good idea, then how about repealing the law that states that the embassy is to be located in Jerusalem instead of ignoring that law?
In any case, it's a symbolic gesture. It is recognition that Jerusalem is the rightful capital of Israel. It already is the de facto capital, so putting an embassy there doesn't really change anything. Why should people who commit violence over a symbolic gesture be given a pass for their violence. I am sure that if Israel attacked Gaza or the West Bank solely based on a PLO proclamation that Jerusalem rightfully belongs to Palestine, those of you defending the Palestinians now would (rightly!) be singing a different tune.
Actually no new building has been erected so far. Simply the building in Jerusalem which has served all this time as the US Consulate has now become the US Embassy and the building in Tel Aviv that was used as the US Embassy has become a US Consulate. So in reality this whole move is really a symbolic gesture being used as an excuse for more violence.
Israel was established not only because the Holocaust but due to the active Zionist movement which started with Theodor Herzl several years prior to WW2.
The British Mandate of Palestine originally included Jordan which until this day has a Palestinian majority population and its ruling family was originally from Saudi Arabia. So technically one could say there is already an independent Palestinian Arab country called Jordan and why don't these Palestinians revolt against their non-Palestinian rulers?!
Since Gaza has a border with Egypt, why isn't their outcry against Egypt closing off their border with Gaza?!
Israel was established in May 1948 although the UN Partition Plan to create 2 states was voted upon in November 1947. It was the Palestinian Arabs' decision not to create a separate state when Israel was established.
Actually no new building has been erected so far. Simply the building in Jerusalem which has served all this time as the US Consulate has now become the US Embassy and the building in Tel Aviv that was used as the US Embassy has become a US Consulate. So in reality this whole move is really a symbolic gesture being used as an excuse for more violence.
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