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Old 05-18-2018, 12:25 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Originally Posted by GotHereQuickAsICould View Post
Tax corporations? Absolutely not!

Why should they pitch in for the infrastructure they use constantly, and educated workforce, access to the U.S. market, ... ?

They should get a free ride because ... why exactly?
Because as everyone who's ever taken an economics course knows... Corporations don't pay the taxes they're assessed. Taxes are included in the pricing formulas of their goods/services as overhead. The end user/consumer always pays. Higher taxes on corporations = a hidden tax on consumers.

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"Overhead expenses are absorbed by the business and factored into the selling price as a percentage of the direct labor cost. They include indirect costs such as accounting, advertising, depreciation, indirect labor, insurance, interest, legal fees, rent, repairs, supplies, taxes, telephone, travel and utilities."
https://missouribusiness.net/article...ead-and-price/

Why do "some" people NEVER understand that taxes on corporations are actually a hidden tax on themselves and every other consumer? Serious question. Are you all young? Uneducated? What?

 
Old 05-18-2018, 12:25 PM
 
Location: USA
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Oh yea lets ignore declining wages rising rents its easier to blame working people. One day the wealthy will give them some more scraps.
Dam Bill Gates, Jeff Bezo and Mark Zuckerberg. These wealthy people who are benefiting from Trumps tax plan, should be paying their fair share. Im not even being sarcatic
 
Old 05-18-2018, 12:38 PM
 
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I can’t speak for the poster you replied to but some people who work 6-7 days a week do not work because they have to . They just enjoy the hustle or are extremely driven/wired that way. I did and retired at 49 and live off my investments. Of course, I keep a car until it’s about 9 years old before replacing.
Ok. But I'm sure that we can agree that you are in a very small minority. Most people that work that much do it because they have to, not because they want to.
 
Old 05-18-2018, 12:39 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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...that less and less of us are achieving as a percentage.
Take a look at why that is... There's a glut of no/low-skill workers keeping wages depressed. There are 2 reasons why that is...

1) Women on public assistance, as a group, have a birth rate 3 times higher than women who don't receive those benefits (who support themselves [with or without a partner] and their children without having to collect public assistance). being born into poverty is highly correlated to living a lifetime of poverty. 70% never rise up to middle class level.

2) Over-immigration, both legal and illegal, of no/low-skill and under-educated workers.

Solve those two problems, and a higher percentage will reach middle class status if their own efforts merit such.
 
Old 05-18-2018, 12:53 PM
 
Location: NJ
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rich vs poor socialist redux, best served with generalizations and creative conclusions. Pass out the pitchforks.


Oops the dems want to raise the taxes!...vote for them if people can't afford the basics. Problem is, if you took all the money from the 1 % and redistributed it, you still end up in the starting blocks. Answer is socialism! We already have a politically elite class. everyone else can be equal.
 
Old 05-18-2018, 01:01 PM
 
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I certainly understand the point you are making and I don't think people should all make the same. However the current system is grossly unfair and you sweep it under the rug in favor of the holy market. I am arguing for a floor not ceiling on success. No one should have to be homeless or starve and yet it happens in the USA.
The homeless are, by and large, mentally ill people off their meds and/or drug addicts. Not "participating fully in a middle class lifestyle" per the United Way definition is not the same as being homeless or starving.

Between food banks, SNAP and all that, nobody is starving either. Not being able to enjoy "moderate food selections" according to the United Way definition of middle class eating is not equivalent to starvation.

And there is a floor called the poverty line which all welfare calculations are based on.
 
Old 05-18-2018, 01:09 PM
 
Location: Colorado Springs
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And there is a floor called the poverty line which all welfare calculations are based on.
Yet as a libertarian you want to remove all protections for the poor?
 
Old 05-18-2018, 01:11 PM
 
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Ok. But I'm sure that we can agree that you are in a very small minority. Most people that work that much do it because they have to, not because they want to.
True enough. It makes the world of difference if it is by choice vs need. If by need, you could easily feel trapped. My personal motivation was not wanting to ever have to depend on anyone else as that gives away my power. I went through something tragic that deeply instilled that drive in me. There is a great sense of peace in independence. Recently, I have witnessed a friend reach this point to some degree after decades of struggling. It was within her all along but she did not want to make the hard choices and suffered two extremely abusive long term relationships before finally setting herself free. She’s hard headed and stubborn like me and I knew years ago it was in her all along.
 
Old 05-18-2018, 01:14 PM
 
Location: Boston
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need more money, get a couple of extra jobs, there's plenty of job opening out there
 
Old 05-18-2018, 01:16 PM
 
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Yet as a libertarian you want to remove all protections for the poor?
Absolutely. Let private charity handle the poor at the local level. The truly unfortunate will be taken care of like they were in the days prior to big welfare, and the lazy and indigent will either work or seek out charitable suckers who reward laziness.
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