School Shootings: Texas, etc. (illegal immigration, insurance, politician, Pennsylvania)

[middle-aged mom]

Originally Posted by Patsfan20

All these drugs folks have their kids on from an early age may have something to do with this lunacy, back in the day kids were just behaving like kids........now they have to be pumped with adderall, ritalin and who knows what else. Perhaps that is making kids these days friggin whackos. All I know is Pharma sales must be doing quite well.

Most kids are not pumped with medications.

Both the Parkland and Sandy Hook shooters declined to be medicated. Perhaps if they were, outcomes might have been different.

We DK beans about this shooter's medical history.

Only thing certain is this shooter will inspire the next.

[TasteofSourCherry]

Originally Posted by middle-aged mom

Thus far, no red flags about this kid.

On his social media accounts he took pictures of guns and knives (implying they were his - probably was), as well as a shirt that says "born to kill."

If we can't ban guns, public schools need a true zero tolerance policy - any student remotely taking pictures of guns etc can be expelled. It's a new age we live in.

[middle-aged mom]

Originally Posted by PullMyFinger

If you are concerned with numbers of dead then start searching street thugs in Chicago, Detroit, Baltimore, Gary...and take the illegal hand guns off them. Would save thousands, not hundreds of lives.

CPD took 8000 guns off the street last year.

[Patsfan20]

Originally Posted by middle-aged mom

Only thing certain is this shooter will inspire the next.

Sadly, I believe you are correct about that.

[Joe the Photog]

Relax, America. There is nothing to see here. This is who we are now. Sure, eight more kids are dead at the hands of a schoolmate. But the news cycle will play out as it always does. Follow along in your program if you will. First will come the breathless news reports as reporters arrive on screen and snatch anyone who will be interviewed live on TV. They don't even have had to witnessed anything. Second-hand information as well as rumor and innuendo are fine if they can speak somewhat coherently into the microphone. Other media outlets will then repeat this information. They may use terms like, “We have not confirmed this yet, but...” The truth doesn't matter. Any information that can be repeated endlessly across TV, radio and social media will work.

This is who we are now, America. Politicians from 1600 Pennsylvania down to mayors of small towns will say it's not the time to politicize this tragedy as they offer their “thoughts and prayers. Maybe they don't realize it or maybe they do, but they are already politicizing the tragedy. Folks like you and me will take to Facebook to scorn at those politicians as they say they want something to be done about school violence in America. They will be followed quickly by the cold dead hand's folks who want absolutely no government regulations of his AR-15 or any other guns.

This is who we are now, America. CNN, Fox News and MSNBC will usher in the same old talking heads to tell you how to think and most of us will oblige depending on the political party we ascribe to. Callers to every barely listenable radio show will call in and depending on viewpoint will be sad or irate. Based on the last name of the killer, they will blame it on illegal immigration or, perhaps, anti-illegal immigration. Others will blame bullying. Some will point fingers at the other party. Still, others will photohop online images of the killer to misplace blame on a movement.

This is who were are now, America. The conspiracy theorists will have already taken to social media using words like false flag and crisis actors. They also think the 9/11 attacks did not happen, so it's best not to challenge them on their beliefs lest you become another victim of gun violence.

This is who we are now, America. Politicians from both parties will claim to be prepared to work on sensible gun violence regulation. They say this to assuage our fears more than any actual plans to do anything constructive about it. The NRA will make sure they don't.

So, relax, America. Don't be too concerned. Think and pray about it if you really want to or just say you will. It doesn't matter. No cares. There's reality TV to watch and yoga classes to attend. You have to get to work tomorrow and make your kid's school lunch which they may or may not get to eat before they are shot.

There is nothing new to see here. This is who we are now.

[nmnita]

Originally Posted by Eli34

Thug is the new N-word.

That has nothing to do with the N word. A person can be a thug regardless of color or any other descriptive word. Look up the meaning for heaven sake.

[the searchers]

Originally Posted by NY_refugee87

And that needs to stop.
Let kids be kids. Let them stand up for themselves. Punish the bully, not the one defending themselves or on behalf of others.

They can fight back
It's when the schools passed 0 tolerance and punish the bullied as harsh as the bully for defending themselves. That's wrong. It creates helpless and hopeless victims.

And it also indoctrinates kids into not being self sufficient/self reliant, they will always be in search of an adult in the room to handle their problems for them.

This is so true and obvious but never talked about.

The best way to handle bullies is with a 2x4 (kidding) but you get the message.

The schools have hurt the victims of bullying by not allowing self defense.

The effects may be suffered for life in some cases.

[KenFresno]

Another day, another mass shooting. Glad we get those special freedoms here in America. Like the freedom to be gunned down at school, church, movies, concerts....So many freedoms. And we had the gall to call other countries ****holes.

[Patsfan20]

Kids just need some damn discipline.........better to beat them now, than to possibly bury them later.

[NY_refugee87]

Originally Posted by Coldjensens

Can people obsessing over the gun issue on either side please explain what is wrong with you? Why are you not only ignoring the actual problem, but intentionally directing attention away from it?

Because it's easier to pin the blame on firearms, their availability, their capacity, and the laws pertaining to them than it is to actually discuss the true issue at hand.

Those who stand with me that are Pro2A, I hope you don't go deflecting to mental health.
You don't want to go down that road and have politicians dictate a mandatory visit to a shrink for an examination before being able to exercise your rights to keep and bear arms...
Because all it would take is for shrinks with an agenda to deny you your rights based on their opinion.

Direction attention away from the real issue at hand is simple.
Those of us who do not want to see ever more restrictive gun laws bans etc pass will vehemently oppose such measures.
Reason being is simple.

Emotionally compelled devoid of logic and common sense experts believe Australia and Europe are models to follow because less guns = less deaths. However...
Laws only apply to the law abiding.

As evident in every one of these shootings.
1. It is illegal to murder.
2. It is illegal to be on school property with a firearm/ammo.

The flawed logic is criminals will obey laws.
They wont. They havent. Time and time again it is evident.

The dystopian belief of ban and confiscate, will create more victims.
Only police and military should have guns. Yet police have itchy trigger fingers racist blah blah blah and we have a sitting President who was "Literally Hitler/Literally Stalin" echoed on and on and on...
The stupid is perplexing.

Following the logic... well if guns are banned and confiscated... then that means only a few who fail to turn them in will be faced with lethal force.
News flash. Not everyone is naive enough to believe in that and would rather keep their liberty and natural rights to self defense and defense from tyranny.
The whole take them after these incidents and eventually there will be 0 remaining...

Let's address the fact that remains.
1. 19 trillion in debt. You propose a ban/confiscation/fine to be placed on anyone and everyone. How exactly is that going to be enforced? Well with agents of the government armed with guns. So really you're pro gun only when it suits your beliefs.
How much would such a program like that cost in order to be implemented?
I'd say billions trillions even to hire, train, and engage.
Following engaging would be pensions medical coverages for those wounded in action.
There may be raids upon individuals residences. Hell even the military can be involved. But I don't see black hawks cobra gun ships A10s strafing towns/villages. Mortars and artillery deployed reaper drones sending sidewinder and hellfires at everyone's home.

2. You're proposing sacrificing those in possession of a firearm to get your way. Along with sacrificing those employed to enforce your way.
If you really want a ban and confiscation why not be the change you seek and do it yourselves?

3. The whole redefining of the 2nd Amendment.
Founding fathers didn't see AR15s.
Nor did they forsee the printing press evolving into 24 hour news feeds either. Should the first be treated as subjective as the 2nd? How about propose altering other civil liberties and rights protected by the constitution?

4. A belief in bigger government and it will solve all our problems.
No. It wont. Bigger government = more expensive government. As if power doesn't corrupt... officials can be bought/paid off etc. Bureaucracy doesn't drag it's feet or anything...

5. Insert this implement here and compare to firearms.
Cars kill more than guns. Fact. Look it up for yourself. Compare the mortality toll year for year with cars and firearms. Cars kill more. Even with registrations and licenses and insurance. Tough pill to swallow I know.

So really what stops any real talks of ending plaguing violence be it committed with a knife, a fist, a gun, a car whatever, is the fact that remains
1. It is a Constitutionally Protected Natural Right to keep and bear arms.
2. Many here and outside of the basement of city datas political forum, understand it is so and VEHEMENTLY oppose any new legislation regulation.
3. It is the individual that committed the act. Not the inanimate object incapable of physical action and incapable of nefarious thoughts.

So I say for the I don't know, how many'th time.

Want to be serious about solving this problem?
Address Motive. Incentive. Intent. Enabling outliers.
Want to know what they are? And what measures can stop it? Ask. Or sift through the plethora of threads I've posted in following a tragedy.