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Old 05-21-2018, 07:05 PM
 
Location: Pacific NW
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They?? The ubiquitous, ever present they!
Some dude gets pissed..writes an article..and all of a sudden he speaks for 200+ million people?

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Not 200+ million, most have far more sense than that. Just 65,844,954 not honest enough to say it out loud. Actions speak louder than words.
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Old 05-21-2018, 08:01 PM
 
Location: Twin Falls Idaho
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Not 200+ million, most have far more sense than that. Just 65,844,954 not honest enough to say it out loud. Actions speak louder than words.

Indeed..do find me those actions..by 65 million people..that would tell me that they wish to 'grab your guns'.



Please..don't bother if you're going to say the membership in the Democratic party or a vote for Hillary Clinton is the 'action' that satisfies your criteria. BTW...mind reading is a silly way to make a point..IMO.

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Old 05-21-2018, 08:08 PM
 
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A fire set to kill people is still a fire set to kill, no matter where the fire is set.
Yes, but a fire set at a school is not going to have anywhere near the same death toll as an illegal night club. If the goal is to kill as many people as possible, starting a fire wouldn't be a very good option.
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Old 05-21-2018, 08:17 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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Yes, but a fire set at a school is not going to have anywhere near the same death toll as an illegal night club. If the goal is to kill as many people as possible, starting a fire wouldn't be a very good option.
Some of the worst mass murders in history were caused by fire.
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Old 05-21-2018, 08:23 PM
 
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Have you noticed that they always make excuses for when other means are used to kill people besides guns? They just can't accept the fact that those who are determined to kill will always find the means.
Of course there are other ways to kill someone. No one is denying that. Guns however, are a very easy way to kill a large number of people.

The Las Vegas shooting would not have been the same if the shooter was standing in his 32nd floor suite with a baseball bat. The Parkland shooter would not have been able to kill as many students sitting in classrooms if he was walking the halls with a baseball bat. The Santa Fe shooter would not have been able to kill those students barricaded in a supply closet if all he had was a baseball bat.

There is a reason that these mass murderers choose a gun, and not a baseball bat... or a hammer, or knife, or. whatever other weapon you seem to think could easily be substituted for a gun in these mass killings.

And I'm sure you want to bring up that a man in Japan used a knife to kill 19 people. But what you don't want to mention is that the attack happened at a disabled residential facility at 2am. Killing 19 disabled people in their sleep is much different then being able to kill 19 people behind locked doors in a school.
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Old 05-21-2018, 08:24 PM
 
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Some of the worst mass murders in history were caused by fire.
In modern schools?
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Old 05-21-2018, 08:26 PM
 
Location: Jacksonville, FL
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You're trying to compare a school to an illegal 2-story club, that had only one door and no fire escape. That place was a death trap, and was only a matyer of time before such a tragedy occurred.

Schools are built with safety in mind.
So shootings like the Pulse nightclub don't matter because it wasn't a school?
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Old 05-21-2018, 08:28 PM
 
Location: Jacksonville, FL
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Of course there are other ways to kill someone. No one is denying that. Guns however, are a very easy way to kill a large number of people.

The Las Vegas shooting would not have been the same if the shooter was standing in his 32nd floor suite with a baseball bat. The Parkland shooter would not have been able to kill as many students sitting in classrooms if he was walking the halls with a baseball bat. The Santa Fe shooter would not have been able to kill those students barricaded in a supply closet if all he had was a baseball bat.

There is a reason that these mass murderers choose a gun, and not a baseball bat... or a hammer, or knife, or. whatever other weapon you seem to think could easily be substituted for a gun in these mass killings.

And I'm sure you want to bring up that a man in Japan used a knife to kill 19 people. But what you don't want to mention is that the attack happened at a disabled residential facility at 2am. Killing 19 disabled people in their sleep is much different then being able to kill 19 people behind locked doors in a school.
You finally hit the nail on the head: These mass murderers choose.
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Old 05-21-2018, 08:31 PM
 
Location: Twin Falls Idaho
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Of course there are other ways to kill someone. No one is denying that. Guns however, are a very easy way to kill a large number of people.

The Las Vegas shooting would not have been the same if the shooter was standing in his 32nd floor suite with a baseball bat. The Parkland shooter would not have been able to kill as many students sitting in classrooms if he was walking the halls with a baseball bat. The Santa Fe shooter would not have been able to kill those students barricaded in a supply closet if all he had was a baseball bat.

There is a reason that these mass murderers choose a gun, and not a baseball bat... or a hammer, or knife, or. whatever other weapon you seem to think could easily be substituted for a gun in these mass killings.

And I'm sure you want to bring up that a man in Japan used a knife to kill 19 people. But what you don't want to mention is that the attack happened at a disabled residential facility at 2am. Killing 19 disabled people in their sleep is much different then being able to kill 19 people behind locked doors in a school.
What an odd conversation going on here...I mean..a slow acting poison in the Kool-aid--would kill hundreds--yet..doesn't happen.


Somehow, that hot metal phallus in your hand, ejaculating round after round--seems to satisfy where a bat just does not, eh? Perhaps, there are some reasons men prefer guns for their mass killing...that have nothing to do with the best possible method?


Just sayin'....
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Old 05-21-2018, 08:47 PM
 
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So shootings like the Pulse nightclub don't matter because it wasn't a school?
You make zero sense.


Someone said that a fire would be just as effective in these school mass shootings because in 1990....

But the thing is, all those people died in 1990 because the building was not up to code, only had one entry/exit point, no fire escape, etc... There were a lot of factors that went into that fire being so deadly. If a fire was set at a school, you wouldn't have anywhere near the same outcome.

And nothing I'm saying takes away from the horrors that happened at Pulse Night Club, the Route 91 Harvest music festival, or anywhere else. I was just specifically talking about mass killings at schools in that post.
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