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Old 05-21-2018, 04:33 PM
 
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Insane.
Agreed, speaking Spanish where English is predominant. Imagine.
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Old 05-21-2018, 04:35 PM
 
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LEO needs probable cause to arrest, not to stop people and question them. All they need to stop you is reasonable suspicion

Where do you people come up with this stuff? Is it our educational system that''s failed? Learn the law, you'll appear much smarter.
Absolutely correct.
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Old 05-21-2018, 04:35 PM
 
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Exactly.

The US is home to a greater number of Spanish speakers than any other country besides Mexico.

But not in Montana as the Border Patrol agent stated it was rare there.
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Old 05-21-2018, 04:36 PM
 
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I am guessing you have zero actual legal training but listen to a lot of talk radio.

I also notice that you are dodging the only important question. What reasonable suspicion or probable cause is created by a person speaking Spanish?
I’ve had legal training. He is right.
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Old 05-21-2018, 04:37 PM
 
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It does not matter. AFAIK Montana is part of USA and all the citizens and LPRs have a full right to travel everywhere they want.
It is another reason for NOT detaining the ladies because no illegal alien in his right mind will go to a place where he stick like a Giraffe in a flock of geese.
Of course it is. But that doesn't change the fact that it is rare in that location therefore a reasonable suspicion. I am not condoning nor castigating what he did as that is up to his superiors.
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Old 05-21-2018, 04:38 PM
 
Location: Central Mexico and Central Florida
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Welcome to Germany 1939. Show me your papers.
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Old 05-21-2018, 04:40 PM
 
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Welcome to Germany 1939. Show me your papers.
If you are driving a car that would be your driver's license. Border Patrol exists because we have immigration laws (and people who break them) not because this is 1939 Nazi Germany.
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Old 05-21-2018, 04:42 PM
 
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This is probably part of this...

ICE arrests 78 in five-state immigration sweep in Midwest

Sixty-two of the people arrested had prior criminal convictions; 31 had re-entered the United States illegally after previously having been deported.

Most of the people arrested were from Mexico. The arrests also included people from El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras, Ethiopia, South Sudan, Kenya, the Ivory Coast and Sudan, ICE officials added.
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Old 05-21-2018, 04:45 PM
 
Location: Boston
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I am guessing you have zero actual legal training but listen to a lot of talk radio.

I also notice that you are dodging the only important question. What reasonable suspicion or probable cause is created by a person speaking Spanish?
I'm guessing you never finished high school. Ask any attorney or a para legal, or anyone on the street if you're detained by the police, that's means you're arrested. Even ask your pals here, maybe even Wikipedia, sad you know so little.

In regard to his questioning that's up to the officer to articulate the factors as to what caused his reasonable suspicion. Time of day, personal observation of their behavior, rational inferences. For all I know in this case it may have been a voluntary contact. The police do not need any sort of proof to conduct a voluntary encounter and you're under no obligation to cooperate.
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Old 05-21-2018, 04:47 PM
 
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Welcome to Germany 1939. Show me your papers.
Then stay in Mexico and you will have no issues.
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