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Old 05-21-2018, 06:12 PM
 
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Hmmm, places not meant to be green. I didn't know such places existed. After all, only 17,000 years ago New York was under a mile-high sheet of ice! I don't think it was "meant" to be dry and fertile land but sometimes change is good.
Those cycles you are referring to are called the Milankovich cycles, and are incredibly regular, measurable, and are not responsible for the current warming we are seeing.

So no, based on where we are with the Milankovich cycles, we should not be seeing green areas at the poles.
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Old 05-21-2018, 06:16 PM
 
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Great news: The world is getting greener due to increased CO2


I was wondering about that. Plants love CO2, they breathe it just like we breathe oxygen. And the plants use it (and sunlight) to produce oxygen. What's not to like?

CO2 has two main effects in the atmosphere:

1.) It reflects more sunlight than nitrogen and oxygen (the main components of our atmosphere) and prevents some of the sunlight from reaching the ground. Thus, its sunlight-reflecting property makes the atmosphere a little cooler.

2.) When the rest of the sunlight gets through , it heats the ground, which heats the air above it, and makes the atmosphere warmer. And CO2 holds a little of this heat in, even though CO2 makes up less than 1% of the atmosphere and doesn't hold in much. Its heat-trapping property does make the atmosphere a little warmer.

And it's a constant tradeoff, what net effect a little extra CO2 has.

BTW, have the enviro-nuts ever produced any proof that man has anything to do with increasing CO2? Or are they still shoveling documents that contain no proof, but only refer to other documents, which refer to yet more documents... none of which contain any proof?
Uhm. No.

Plants do NOT breathe CO2 the way we breath oxygen. In fact plants breathe oxygen the exact same way do in order to undergo cellular respiration.

CO2 does not reflect anything. It is a greenhouse gas meaning it is transparent to incoming short wave (light) radiation and transparent to long wave (heat). You breathe CO2 out. Do you see it reflecting light around you? No. Stop telling lies.

CO2 comes from burning fossil fuels, from making concrete, etc. These are verifiable FACT based on simple chemistry. So yes, humans are adding CO2 to the atmosphere. Again, a verifiable fact.
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Old 05-21-2018, 06:17 PM
 
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Care to try to substantiate that vacuous claim with any substance...any....at all???
I accidentally rep’d your comment, but rest assured, it was a mistake.
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Old 05-21-2018, 06:18 PM
 
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You clearly do not understand the point. We know for a fact that higher CO2 levels will be absorbed much faster by plants.


https://dutchgreenhouses.com/technology/co2-enrichment


lead, mercury, plastic is a problem. C02, not really a problem, at least not at this rate.
Nonsense. Some plants will increase CO2 uptake, others will slow down, depends on which metabolic pathway they utilize.

BTW, most environmental organic mercury (methylmercury) and large amount of lead come from burning of fossil fuels.
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Old 05-21-2018, 06:19 PM
 
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OK, I'll play. What places have YOU decided aren't meant to be green? Greenland, perhaps?

The earth has been regulating/balancing CO2 in the atmosphere for millions of years-by the amount of plant growth. Growing plants absorb/consume CO2, sequestering it in their cellular structures. Increased atmospheric CO2 leads directly to more plant growth, which in turn lowers the CO2 levels in the atmosphere.
See links above.
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Old 05-21-2018, 06:20 PM
 
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Which will be happening less .



Who is that refuses to change their position as new information arrives?....well it was not new to me but I actually know about plants, unlike coffee house urbanites, who care deeply, while blowing CO2 emissions all over creation...
And as an oceanographer I know about the ocean. Care to guess which has a stronger effect on climate?
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Old 05-21-2018, 06:21 PM
 
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What the leftists care about is being in control. They could not care less if any of this is better for humanity or our world. If their prospects for imposing their control regime are reduced, then they will hate that outcome, even if it is vastly better for humanity and our world.
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Old 05-21-2018, 06:35 PM
 
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What the leftists care about is being in control. They could not care less if any of this is better for humanity or our world. If their prospects for imposing their control regime are reduced, then they will hate that outcome, even if it is vastly better for humanity and our world.
Or perhaps that’s the narrative you’ve bought into, hook, line and sinker, because it’s too damaging for you to believe otherwise?

The Republican Party is literally the only climate-denying conservative party in the entire developed world.

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Old 05-21-2018, 07:02 PM
 
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So they deny the Earth has a climate, eh?
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Old 05-21-2018, 07:18 PM
 
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So they deny the Earth has a climate, eh?
They play the exact games that you’ve also put on display.
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