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Old 05-23-2018, 03:06 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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Their job as black men, is to stand up for African-American civil rights that have been relentlessly violated since slavery.
Baloney. Their job when they're on the field in front of their fans, is to play football and keep attracting the fans. If they want to do something else, do it on their own time.

Hijacking the time and exposure provided by the NFL to deal with something that goes against that, instead of doing their job, is grounds for disciplinary action by their employers. Up to and including termination.
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Old 05-23-2018, 03:06 PM
 
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I don't think independently thinking black men would appreciate you telling them what is required of them, for being black men.

But anyone is free to protest to no end, outside of work. The job requirements don't include protesting, actually it is considered unwanted business conduct and can warrant a penalty or dismissal. What is hard to understand about that.
I don't have to explain to African-American men their duty to confront attacks being waged against their community. Somehow, you automatically get the message when you've observed the same type of treatment all your life!

This kneeling is peaceful protest and an expression of their 1st Amendment rights.

What's so hard to understand about that?
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Old 05-23-2018, 03:08 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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I hope they do but...a financial penalty will be peanuts to players...
Actually, technically the NFL isn't fining the player, they're fining the team when a player kneels on the field during the anthem. The team can then take it out of the player's pay later... or not take it out, etc., as the team owners decide.

Since a fine might indeed be peanuts to multi-millionaire players, maybe the team should suspend the player for the game instead. Or come up with some other penalty. 2nd offense, suspend the player for the next two games, etc. And if that knocks him out of a playoff game, that's too bad. He knew the rules going in. Maybe he should join the CFL if he doesn't like it.

An NFL team is a business, whose ultimate purpose is to earn money. Players kneeling during the anthem, has cut game attendance and viewership way down. That hurts team revenues, through ticket sales as well as advertisers paying less for smaller viewership. A star player missing for one game (or more), might also hurt the team revenues. Teams are stuck between a rock and a hard place when team members kneel during the anthem. Most of their fans don't like it, and vote with their wallets.

Now the teams have a larger incentive to encourage their players to treat the playing of the anthem with respect. They don't have to like the anthem (and some of the more warped ones don't). They just have to stand for 40 seconds or so.
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Old 05-23-2018, 03:08 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Sure, for the fans. The players are employees and will act accordingly to the wishes of the NFL.
They can choose to pay the fine, and looks like some teams are saying the team will pay the fine to the NFL on behalf of the protesting players.
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Old 05-23-2018, 03:09 PM
 
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Baloney. Their job when they're on the field in front of their fans, is to play football and keep attracting the fans. If they want to do something else, do it on their own time.

Hijacking the time and exposure provided by the NFL to deal with something that goes against that, instead of doing their job, is grounds for disciplinary action by their employers. Up to and including termination.
HOGWASH!

So you'd rather be entertained than assure that fellow Americans are NOT "legally" murdered in the streets!

I can clearly see that you're a true patriot!
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Old 05-23-2018, 03:10 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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BTW, suppose some especially warped player stands and gives the Hitler stiff-armed salute during the anthem? News people ask him why he did it after the game, and he says (on camera) he likes Hitler, thought he was a great leader, and wants to encourage the country to be as great as Hitler was? At the next game the stadium is mostly empty, and the networks cancel their television contracts for when that team is on the field.

The player announces that the fans have the wrong idea about why he did it, and will continue to do it at every game. The player says he was complimenting the country, saying that it has the potential to be as "great" as Hitler made Germany in the 1930s. He meant no insult, he insists, and the fans shouldn't take it that way. He just want the country to change a few things.

That's pretty much what some of the anthem-kneelers have been saying, minus the Hitler reference. They don't mean it as an insult to the country (so they say), only a suggestion that there's a problem that the country should fix.

In other words, the players don't have to change what they do during the anthem, they are saying. The country should change what it thinks about kneeling during the anthem.

It's complete bunk, of course. Kneeling during the anthem as a protest, IS an insult to the entire country, no matter how the players have twisted themselves mentally to think it isn't in their case. Maybe a guy doing a Hitler salute would finally blow that excuse to smithereens... even for those stupid enough to believe the excuse for the kneelers.
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Old 05-23-2018, 03:12 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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So you'd rather be entertained than assure that fellow Americans are NOT "legally" murdered in the streets!
As usual, when a leftist's point gets refuted and he has no answer, he starts lying, smearing people, and ranting hysterically instead.
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Old 05-23-2018, 03:23 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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you are wrong here. and its not about the anthem itself, its about protesting at a time and place that is inappropriate.



lets put you at your job, and lets give you a cause that you are passionate about, it doesnt matter the cause, now lets say you are at your work, and you are making political statements about your cause. but in making these statements, you are hurting the business itself, its reputation and its bottom line. do oyu think your employer will let you continue your protests? do you think your employer will continue to let you make your political statements?


the answer to those questions is no they wont. they will warn you, and if you continue, they will FIRE you. the NFL is no different. they are a PRIVATE company, and as such they have the power to suspend you or fire you for rules violations. and it does not matter the rules violation. if you hurt the reputation and the bottom line, you can be terminated whether you make millions throwing a ball around, or a couple thousand a week for doing what ever.
I'm not wrong cause they were doing at their job. People are upset cause they can't protest at their job, but the jobs are totally different.

So when is a protest appropriate? At halftime, after the game?
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Old 05-23-2018, 03:26 PM
 
Location: Honolulu, HI
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Their job as black men, is to stand up for African-American civil rights that have been relentlessly violated since slavery.
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Yes nothing like millionaire college dropouts married to white women, paid to throw and catch a football protesting the unfairness and injustices of America.
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Old 05-23-2018, 03:26 PM
 
Location: Florida
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you are wrong here. and its not about the anthem itself, its about protesting at a time and place that is inappropriate.
That takes PC policing to a whole new level.
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