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Old 05-23-2018, 07:29 AM
 
Location: St. Louis, MO
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I was critical of the ACA but there were a lot of positives- no penalty or lack of insurance for pre-existing conditions, for instance.

However, it was far too expensive for many. Even for us, a family of 5 with a very median household income, the most affordable ACA plans came in at $400-$500 a month, which would have seriously hurt, had we been forced to go that route.

With that said, anybody who actually believed Trump's claims, was either deluded, misinformed or it was a case of wishful thinking.

Healthcare and our expectations of healthcare need to be changed from the "ground up" if we are to ever have affordable healthcare for all in this country- that includes cutting a lot of the "fat" and profit from the system, and taking power away from big pharma.

I genuinely doubt any of that will occur in my lifetime though.
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Old 05-23-2018, 07:35 AM
 
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My company experience 20 percent increases this year. Thanks Trump.
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Old 05-23-2018, 07:35 AM
 
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Trump's promises: <<Lost amid the pundits’ applause for President Trump’s calmer demeanor in his speech to Congress Tuesday was a key shift that received far less national attention: the abandonment of promises made by candidate and President-elect Trump on healthcare.

“We’re going to have insurance for everybody,” Trump said in press conference Jan. 11. “We’re going to have a healthcare that is far less expensive and far better.”

Or, as he said in a September 2015 “60 Minutes” interview, “I am going to take care of everybody. Everybody’s going to be taken care of much better than they’re taken care of now.”>>
I remember these promises very well. If he had been a positive influence in this I would have supported him over it.

His performance after taking office makes him out as having been the kind of guy who would say anything to get elected. Obviously, he is 'in bed' with Big Pharma and other vested interests. His appointment of Alex Azar illustrates that perfectly.

This is a betrayal of the people.
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Old 05-23-2018, 07:39 AM
 
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I was critical of the ACA but there were a lot of positives- no penalty or lack of insurance for pre-existing conditions, for instance.

However, it was far too expensive for many. Even for us, a family of 5 with a very median household income, the most affordable ACA plans came in at $400-$500 a month, which would have seriously hurt, had we been forced to go that route.

With that said, anybody who actually believed Trump's claims, was either deluded, misinformed or it was a case of wishful thinking.

Healthcare and our expectations of healthcare need to be changed from the "ground up" if we are to ever have affordable healthcare for all in this country- that includes cutting a lot of the "fat" and profit from the system, and taking power away from big pharma.

I genuinely doubt any of that will occur in my lifetime though.
The ACA was poorly crafted and not implemented with all the features that it should have had to be successful. I think we all knew that going in. It needed a single payer option, it really needed the mandatory buy in or fine, and it needed much tougher controls on industry. That it didn't have all of these things made it a 2-legged stool--not much fun to sit on.

That said, it was a very small step in the right direction to try to gain some control over some of the market and to offer some protection for people. In that, it did succeed. There was a definite, measured decrease to costs. While some individuals (or most) didn't notice it, the overall output to insurers was reduced. Additionally, coverage was there for people who had been previously shut out of the health insurance.

Congress could have done a MUCH better job back when the ACA was being pushed. But we had an obstructionist Congress who wasn't interested in working on it at all so a piece of legislation that didn't go far enough was pushed through.

I agree with you that something needs to be done. We are certainly going backwards now. Making the ACA worse than it was and no solution in sight (nor care of one). Not sure where that big promise went to.
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Old 05-23-2018, 07:40 AM
 
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My company experience 20 percent increases this year. Thanks Trump.
Trump and Rubio screwed over most working people by de-stabilizing the healthcare insurance industry, driving rates up even faster than before.

We need Medicare for all, and we need Medicare to have the freedom to leverage it's buying power for better pricing, particularly on pharmaceuticals but in all other areas as well.
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Old 05-23-2018, 07:40 AM
 
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Try getting cancer care without insurance. That says it all.
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Old 05-23-2018, 07:47 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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Whether or not ACA was the "right solution" is certainly debatable.

What is not debatable:
-On the whole, healthcare cost inflation slowed during ACA
-Since Trump has begun to dismantle it, costs have begun to rise again
-ACA was an improvement over what we had before it (if not a final solution)
-Current "plan" is a step backwards.

Some will dispute this, but they do so from an emotional perspective. Objectively, they are verifiably wrong.
Germany has had Universal Healthcare since 1883. No two countries do Universal Healthcare the same way. Some are Single Payer. Some are completely private insurer pay. Most are a mixed bag.

Some require all employers to contribute. Some do not.

What they have in common is the individual mandate.

The rest of the developed world make annual adjustments and periodically reform their healthcare systems. They don’t throw the baby out with the bath water.

75 % of US adults are overweight/ obese. As such, the population is substantially more vulnerable to heart disease, Diabetes and ensuing complications, stroke, some Cancers and joint deterioration. The US consumes far more than its fair share of mood altering and pain medications. It should come as no surprise the US spends more on healthcare.
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Old 05-23-2018, 07:49 AM
 
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My company experience 20 percent increases this year. Thanks Trump.
I had 100% increase first year of ACA as my company was an "early adopter." Should I thank Obama? Should the American people still argue over who is president?

Or maybe take a LOOK AT THE ISSUE ITSELF????

You know, because the issue is a constant and presidents come and go??

Nah, that would be the smart thing to do. Address the issue.

It's just more fun to name call and blame "the other guy."
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Old 05-23-2018, 07:50 AM
 
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Trump and Rubio screwed over most working people by de-stabilizing the healthcare insurance industry, driving rates up even faster than before.

We need Medicare for all, and we need Medicare to have the freedom to leverage it's buying power for better pricing, particularly on pharmaceuticals but in all other areas as well.
We dont need Medicare for all. Its a system that has many flaws and in my experience it stinks. For starters ,We need a health ins system that has buying power for drugs, yes. We need a medical system where hospitals are fair in their pricing structure. We need a medical system where the dr looks at the whole patient not only the age, disease process etc. we need a medical system where big pharma isnt promoting every new drug under the sun. And we need to get rid of the drug ads off tv. All of that for starters but none of it is going to happen because this is a capitalistic society and capitalism rules all.
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Old 05-23-2018, 07:51 AM
 
Location: NC
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there is no such thing as TrumpCare, keep making things up
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