Welcome to City-Data.com Forum!
U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Politics and Other Controversies
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
 
Old 05-24-2018, 12:03 PM
 
Location: Alameda, CA
7,605 posts, read 4,844,197 times
Reputation: 1438

Advertisements

Quote:
Originally Posted by Loveshiscountry View Post
lol Yes what?
You asked "Was there even 1 bank that was not under the regulation to lower standards and make loans they normally would not make"?


My answer is yes.


Some banks were forced by legislation to make some loans. But most of the bank lending was none voluntarily because they deemed it profitable, including the subprime lending. Banks make loans to make a profit; therefore these would be loans they would make.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old 05-24-2018, 12:05 PM
 
Location: Long Island
32,816 posts, read 19,480,794 times
Reputation: 9618
Quote:
Originally Posted by WilliamSmyth View Post
You asked "Was there even 1 bank that was not under the regulation to lower standards and make loans they normally would not make"?


My answer is yes.


Some banks were forced by legislation to make some loans. But most of the bank lending was none voluntarily because they deemed it profitable, including the subprime lending. Banks make loans to make a profit; therefore these would be loans they would make.
they did it by HUD, FHA and fannie/Freddie STANDARDS.....BY LAW, banks MUST adhere to the GOVERNMENT STANDARDS



Quote:
Giving Credit Where Credit Was Denied

Published: June 08, 1997
Giving Credit Where Credit Was Denied - NYTimes.com
Mr. Kent received what his lender, GFI Mortgage Bankers, calls its ''no-doc product'' -- as in no documents needed.

''With the Federal Government directing it, we've created new products for people who have glitches, hairy credit,'' said Abe Eisner, executive vice president of GFI. ''No-doc means all we need is your name, address and Social Security number, depending on your credit history.''

Even quasi-governmental agencies have primed the subprime pump. The Federal National Mortgage Association (Fannie Mae) and the Federal Home Loan Mortgage Corporation (Freddie Mac) have recently developed computerized underwriting systems that allow lenders to speedily and reliably evaluate an applicant's credit-worthiness. The loans rejected by the automated system are, by definition, subprime.
http://www.nytimes.com/1997/06/08/re...anted=3&src=pm
===========================
...In 1995, the Clinton Administration changed the law governing GSEs' mission -- the Community Reinvestment Act (CRA) -- to encourage more lending in poor neighborhoods.

Previously, the CRA directed government to monitor banks' lending practices to make sure they did not violate fair lending rules in poor neighborhoods.
--snip--
....With the 1995 change, the government published each bank's lending activity and started giving bank ratings based primarily upon the amount of lending it performed in poor neighborhoods.
--snip--
These changes empowered community organizations, such as ACORN, to pressure banks to increase lending activities in poorer neighborhoods -- which involved reducing mortgage loan standards -- or face backlash from those organizations' private and political associates.
--snip--


http://www.nytimes.com/2000/10/22/re...t&pagewanted=4
when HUD, FHA lowered the standards to get more mortgages to lower income/minorities/lesser credit people...that was the timebomb

Last edited by workingclasshero; 05-24-2018 at 12:18 PM..
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 05-24-2018, 12:09 PM
 
3,992 posts, read 2,457,740 times
Reputation: 2350
Quote:
Originally Posted by workingclasshero View Post
they did it by HUD and fannie/Freddie STANDARDS.....BY LAW, banks MUST adhere to the GOVERNMENT STANDARDS

when HUD lowered the standards to get more mortgages to lower income/minorities/lesser credit people...that was the timebomb


do you not understand many subprime loan were made by shadow banking system not just Chase and BOA?
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 05-24-2018, 12:12 PM
 
Location: Alameda, CA
7,605 posts, read 4,844,197 times
Reputation: 1438
Quote:
Originally Posted by Loveshiscountry View Post
lol you're the one chasing you're own tail. All you've done is make an argument on how it was made worse. Too busy playing the blame game instead of addressing the cause.
Government forced lenders to make little to no down payment loans to people who didn't normally qualify under the self regulated system the loan industry policed themselves with. The standards were lowered. That's a basic economic premise and anyone who ignores that is an economic hack and should never be listened to. Let me guess 1+1=14 right?
Have you ever bothered to study the logic of the CDO? Which by the way were first used to sell the bad assets owned by the failing savings and loans.



Financial institutions by the alchemy of CDOs believed they had found a safe way to make money off of risky loans. Although the volume of CDOs involving mortgages has greatly diminished. Similar derivatives still exist today and are still being used to raise capital in non-housing areas.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 05-24-2018, 12:15 PM
 
3,992 posts, read 2,457,740 times
Reputation: 2350
Quote:
Originally Posted by WilliamSmyth View Post
Have you ever bothered to study the logic of the CDO? Which by the way were first used to sell the bad assets owned by the failing savings and loans.



Financial institutions by the alchemy of CDOs believed they had found a safe way to make money off of risky loans. Although the volume of CDOs involving mortgages has greatly diminished. Similar derivatives still exist today and are still being used to raise capital in non-housing areas.


they still exist today- Bespoke Tranche Opportunities...


but it's all HUD's fault b/c Dems forced banks to lend money to poor minorities...
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 05-24-2018, 12:20 PM
 
Location: Texas
37,949 posts, read 17,859,151 times
Reputation: 10371
Quote:
Originally Posted by Metsfan53 View Post
except that's not the case- government neither created nor enforced NINJA or pick a pay loans..but keep trying....I'm not arguing lowering standards was a good thing btw...problem is you don't really know the subject matter as well as you think you do so you harp on one part of it to fit your binary political understanding of it.
You didn't say anything. Read the American No Payment Left Behind Dream Act.

"Actually, yes they were. The regulators charged with enforcing the CRA praised the lowering of down payments and even their elimination. They told banks that lending standards that exceeded that of regulators would be considered evidence of unfair lending. This effectively meant that no money down mortgages were required. A Treasury Department study published in 2000 found that the CRA had successfully lowered down payments not just for CRA loans, but for all mortgages."

https://www.federalreserve.gov/Board...8/19980512.htm

Anything else I can research for you?

Last edited by Loveshiscountry; 05-24-2018 at 12:32 PM..
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 05-24-2018, 12:20 PM
 
Location: Long Island
32,816 posts, read 19,480,794 times
Reputation: 9618
Quote:
Originally Posted by Metsfan53 View Post
do you not understand many subprime loan were made by shadow banking system not just Chase and BOA?
did I say chase or BOA....

subprime was done heavily by fannie/Freddie...and was directed by the government...and many ''loan companies' were just created out of thin air in the late 90's early 00'.... and many got bought up by the bigger banks, many just simple folded or disappeared once they packaged the mortgages and sold them



man of us saw our mortgage CHANGE HANDS 5-6 times


...do you not understand that

back to ignore with you
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 05-24-2018, 12:30 PM
 
Location: Texas
37,949 posts, read 17,859,151 times
Reputation: 10371
Quote:
Originally Posted by WilliamSmyth View Post
A) Show me where in the CRA it authorized or forced 105% loans.
Use your head. The biggest obstacle to getting a home loan is a sizeable down payment. That's common knowledge. AND YOU KNOW THIS!!!!!!!!!


Quote:
Originally Posted by WilliamSmyth View Post
B) Most of the sub prime loans where not CRA or issued by banks that were covered by the CRA. C) The institutions that where raising the capital didn't need government incentives; they believed they were engaged in a highly profitable operation with very little risk. They were competing with each other to grab as much of the market as the could; crowing about how well they were doing against each other.
sigh
Countrywide, the nation's largest mortgage lender, had committed to $600 billion in low-income or "subprime" loans as of 2003.

"We find that adherence to the act led to riskier lending by banks: in the six quarters surrounding the CRA exams lending is elevated on average by about 5 percent every quarter and loans in these quarters default by about 15 percent more often. These patterns are accentuated in CRA-eligible census tracts and are concentrated among large banks. The effects are strongest during the time period when the market for private securitization was booming"

"Actually, yes they were. The regulators charged with enforcing the CRA praised the lowering of down payments and even their elimination. They told banks that lending standards that exceeded that of regulators would be considered evidence of unfair lending. This effectively meant that no money down mortgages were required. A Treasury Department study published in 2000 found that the CRA had successfully lowered down payments not just for CRA loans, but for all mortgages."

https://www.federalreserve.gov/Board...8/19980512.htm

Last edited by Loveshiscountry; 05-24-2018 at 12:43 PM..
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 05-24-2018, 12:31 PM
 
Location: Texas
37,949 posts, read 17,859,151 times
Reputation: 10371
Quote:
Originally Posted by WilliamSmyth View Post
Have you ever bothered to study the logic of the CDO? Which by the way were first used to sell the bad assets owned by the failing savings and loans.



Financial institutions by the alchemy of CDOs believed they had found a safe way to make money off of risky loans. Although the volume of CDOs involving mortgages has greatly diminished. Similar derivatives still exist today and are still being used to raise capital in non-housing areas.
And? So?
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 05-24-2018, 12:34 PM
 
Location: Texas
37,949 posts, read 17,859,151 times
Reputation: 10371
Quote:
Originally Posted by workingclasshero View Post
they did it by HUD, FHA and fannie/Freddie STANDARDS.....BY LAW, banks MUST adhere to the GOVERNMENT STANDARDS





when HUD, FHA lowered the standards to get more mortgages to lower income/minorities/lesser credit people...that was the timebomb
Bolded for the truth. Also a mention that when the interest rates were lowered to miniscule, the bad loans took off.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply
Please update this thread with any new information or opinions. This open thread is still read by thousands of people, so we encourage all additional points of view.

Quick Reply
Message:


Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Politics and Other Controversies

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 12:12 AM.

© 2005-2024, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Contact Us - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37 - Top