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Old 05-27-2018, 08:54 PM
 
Location: Denver, CO
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OK. What President has actually honored more of his campaign promises than Trump?
James K. Polk.
Rutherford B. Hayes
James Tyler
Martin Van Buren
Grover Cleveland
Calvin Coolidge
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Old 05-27-2018, 09:20 PM
 
Location: Colorado
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It doesn't matter what you “recognize.” Anarchy IS freedom. Statism is
slavery.

The “service” members haven't done a damn thing except act as pawns and cannon fodder for the military-industrial complex.

Then by all means, find an island somewhere and set up your total anarchy lives with whatever like-minded people you can find.

Check back with the real world in six months when you realize it doesn't work.
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Old 05-27-2018, 09:36 PM
 
Location: Denver, CO
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Then by all means, find an island somewhere and set up your total anarchy lives with whatever like-minded people you can find.

Check back with the real world in six months when you realize it doesn't work.
Not an argument. Not very original, either.

Why not use facts and reason instead of cliches and ad hominem?
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Old 05-27-2018, 09:48 PM
 
Location: Colorado
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Not an argument. Not very original, either.

Why not use facts and reason instead of cliches and ad hominem?
Actually, it is. As much as you decry laws that you don't like, you probably wouldn't like living without them for very long. I notice you don't seem in any hurry to actually *try* to find somewhere that you could live in total anarchy (and there are places in the world where that would qualify.) So I suspect that you just like to shoot off your mouth about 'total freedom', but don't actually have the guts to *do* so.

How is total anarchy also total freedom if others have the ability to harm you with no laws to protect you? You don't seem to realize that total freedom to do whatever you want means that others would do the same--even that meant harm to yourself. So how is *that* complete freedom for anybody?
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Old 05-27-2018, 09:54 PM
 
Location: City-Data Forum
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Secession would be if Alaska and Hawaii seceded from the Union of the United States of America.

On the other hand if " Puerto Rico " " Guam " " American Samoa " and the Mariana Islands fought for theirs freedom totally different.

The above-mentioned colonies or territories or possessions of the United States are not officially part of the United States of America with the rights of a American Citizen. Close but no cigar.....

All Western European countries have freed their colonies, with the exception of the United States of America , and the reason why we haven't is because we put " military might over the rights of people" maybe soom the current Colonies of the U.S.A. will get a taste of freedom.
I doubt many in the States are flocking to colonize Puerto Rico, Guam, or American Samoa.
So it's they are not really "colonies" as much as "highly sovereign military territories."
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Old 05-27-2018, 09:57 PM
 
Location: City-Data Forum
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OK. What President has actually honored more of his campaign promises than Trump?
Literally every single President before.

Hillary in jail? No.
Did the wall get built since the first day in office? No.
Obamacare destroyed or at least turned into Trumpcare? No.
Did coal miners get lots of deadly slightly high paying jobs? No.

Did he promise to move the embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem? No.

Is the United States more divided and crumbling than ever and he said he would unite it and fix it? Yes.

Did he lower taxes for the rich? Yes.
Did he reduce housing tax-reimbursements (thus technically increasing taxes that way)? Yes.
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Old 05-27-2018, 10:14 PM
 
Location: Denver, CO
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Actually, it is. As much as you decry laws that you don't like, you probably wouldn't like living without them for very long. I notice you don't seem in any hurry to actually *try* to find somewhere that you could live in total anarchy (and there are places in the world where that would qualify.) So I suspect that you just like to shoot off your mouth about 'total freedom', but don't actually have the guts to *do* so.
The only laws that are legitimate are natural laws--murder, rape, assault, theft/robbery, trespass, fraud, and libel/slander. Laws only exist to protect victims of crime. If there's no victim, there's no crime.

There is no place in the world currently that is anarcho-capitalist. Somalia is not anarchist. Neither is Mongolia or the Amazon rainforest.

Why should *I* have to move in order to be left alone? Why does my desire for peace, property rights, and non-aggression threaten you?

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How is total anarchy also total freedom if others have the ability to harm you with no laws to protect you? You don't seem to realize that total freedom to do whatever you want means that others would do the same--even that meant harm to yourself. So how is *that* complete freedom for anybody?
Natural laws already exist, and have for thousands of years. One does not need a government for protection.

People live an anarchist lifestyle nearly every waking moment of their day. When you go to the store, do you steal or rob that store, or do you voluntarily exchange payment for goods and services? Do you randomly assault people on the street, or do you avoid aggressive violence?
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Old 05-27-2018, 10:24 PM
 
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Now this thread has morphed into a conversation about anarchy. Anything I had to say many pages ago got lost in this mess.
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Old 05-27-2018, 10:33 PM
 
Location: Denver, CO
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Now this thread has morphed into a conversation about anarchy. Anything I had to say many pages ago got lost in this mess.
Sorry, bud.

It all started when I stated the pledge and anthem are foolish symbols of the State, and left-wingers and right-wingers both took offense. It brings them together.
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Old 05-27-2018, 10:51 PM
 
Location: North Pacific
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There is no place in the world currently that is anarcho-capitalist. Somalia is not anarchist. Neither is Mongolia or the Amazon rainforest.
You want to move to New Hampshire. btw ... I told you, you didn't have to leave the country.
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