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Old 05-29-2018, 08:24 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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Originally Posted by whogo View Post
The Civil War was not between an anarchist power against a statist power. There was going to be a state either way and the Confederate government was no better than the Federal government and considerably worse in one area..individual rights.


Of course we all know there cannot be an anarchist power of any consequence.


The first Confederate draft preceded the first Federal draft by more than a year.
Correct.

So why support either side?

2 wrongs don't make a right.
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Old 05-29-2018, 10:20 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Freed four million souls from slavery.
Through Authoritarianism, not much of letting things work themselves out.


Calvin Coolidge has been the most laid back President and created the Roaring 20's, the most prosperous time in US history.
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Old 05-29-2018, 10:47 PM
 
Location: Houston
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Through Authoritarianism, not much of letting things work themselves out.


Calvin Coolidge has been the most laid back President and created the Roaring 20's, the most prosperous time in US history.
You are a slave. How long will you wait for things to work out?
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Old 05-29-2018, 10:48 PM
 
Location: Houston
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Correct.

So why support either side?

2 wrongs don't make a right.

I'll take the lesser evil.
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Old 05-29-2018, 11:02 PM
Status: "It Can't Rain All The Time" (set 24 days ago)
 
Location: North Pacific
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Correct.

So why support either side?

2 wrongs don't make a right.
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I'll take the lesser evil.
Trump, party of Trump ...

The Political Legacy of the Civil War – The Great Fiction

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What the founding generation balked at while forming the federal government, state politicians would readily embrace during and after the Civil War. They acceded to these ideas without realizing that the natural right of the people to alter their government was an inherent contradiction to the belief that they could never secede from or oppose the central power. This contradiction was not lost, however, on abolitionist Lysander Spooner who stated after the war that “the number of slaves, instead of having been diminished by the war, has been greatly increased; for a man, thus subjected to a government that he does not want, is a slave.
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The ideals of self-government, decentralization and accountable government endured an unrelenting assault during the Civil War and these principles sustained injuries from which they have not yet recovered. That they ever will is in serious doubt. As journalist H. L. Mencken wrote, “The American people, North and South, went into the war as citizens of their respective states, they came out as subjects. What they thus lost they have never got back.”
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Old 05-29-2018, 11:05 PM
 
Location: Houston
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Lysander was never in chains. Except in his imagination.
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Old 05-29-2018, 11:14 PM
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Location: North Pacific
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Lysander was never in chains. Except in his imagination.
“The more people chant about their freedom and how free they are, the more loudly I hear their chains rattling.” ~English novelist George Orwell (1903-1950)
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Old 05-30-2018, 12:16 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Four million slaves were free in 1865 that were not in 1861.

Results count.

During civil wars rights will be suspended.
lol He didn't free the slaves. The 13th amendment did. While Lincoln was president during the Civil War, the northern states had slaves. Delaware didn't end slavery until the 13th amendment.
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Old 05-30-2018, 12:17 AM
 
Location: Texas
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I'll take the lesser evil.
It's still evil.
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Old 05-30-2018, 01:40 AM
 
Location: Houston
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It's still evil.
It's an evil world.
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