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Old 06-01-2018, 01:56 PM
 
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yes, case after case when it comes to how many I have talked to. I don't mean hundreds by any means. But on 4 different occasions we have been on cruises and sitting at tables with both Canadians and Americans. In all but 2 couples sighted why they would prefer our system. We were also once a few years ago in Canada and watching a public broadcast show. They interviewed 3 couples who were wanting to start families but had been literally waiting months to even be assigned a doctor. None wanted to start families with out a good gp and an OB doctor. I had a friend I used to play bride with. She was from Canada. At the time one of her husbands brothers was going through radiation for prostrate cancer, the same as my husband. This many lived near an urban city but still had to drive over an hour for his treatments. Here and we are border rural my husband was only about 30 minutes from the cancer center. I could go on and on, but I think you get the picture.

and yes, I do know a few who have families in Canada that love their systems. So I do realize their are those who prefer the Canadian health care
We don't get "assigned a doctor". We are free to choose any doctor we want, anywhere he/she practices. As for wait times?

I moved to a new area. I went online to see what doctors were available, called two of them for an appointment, and after 20 minutes, had an appointment for the next week. And this was in a very, very rural area, not a major center.

Don't believe the hype the FUD (fear, uncertainty, doubt) from that is so often spread.
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Old 06-07-2018, 06:22 PM
 
Location: Somewhere Out West
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Yeah the health system is really bad here. We’re going to replace it soon though at least in Ontario. We weee too socialist but we have been changing our gears in the few years. The refugee stuff has got to stop though. We can’t keep supporting all these people given their numbers. It’s too much. They and the migrants are crashing the system.
Refugee's are not covered under the provincial program, they are covered federally. Also Ontario will not replace OHIP, they may tweak it a bit but replace it, never happen.
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Old 06-07-2018, 06:36 PM
 
Location: Foothills of Maryland Blue Ridge mountains
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https://www.thestar.com/vancouver/20...vancouver.html

Guess, they need to either increase the taxes, decrease the wages of the health care workers at the hospitals or take on debt for general operations.

https://abcnews.go.com/Health/Wellne...ry?id=10508791

I am all for Medicare, Medicaid and State-run insurance cooperatives as long as it's a small state, with Japanese diets and obesity rates and mountain athletic lifestyles.

But overall I can't imagine what will happen if states here in the United States start going single-payer like certain large states have proposed.

American's are far less healthy than Canadians. I can't imagine the waiting times here if we go to a Canadian style system.

The only way a socialized system might work here in the U.S would be if the federal government just gave a block grant based on population to the states and we lived as healthy as people in Japan and the wages were much lower in the health care profession.
Where I live, in the DC metro area, 6 hour ER waits times are common. As is a 24 hr. Wait for a bed. At least Canadian citizens have healthcare. They don’t have to bankrupt themselves if they have a pre-existing condition and are uninsurable. They aren’t sentenced to death if they can’t afford healthcare due to a pre-existing condition.
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Old 06-07-2018, 07:20 PM
 
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https://www.thestar.com/vancouver/20...vancouver.html

Guess, they need to either increase the taxes, decrease the wages of the health care workers at the hospitals or take on debt for general operations.

https://abcnews.go.com/Health/Wellne...ry?id=10508791

I am all for Medicare, Medicaid and State-run insurance cooperatives as long as it's a small state, with Japanese diets and obesity rates and mountain athletic lifestyles.

But overall I can't imagine what will happen if states here in the United States start going single-payer like certain large states have proposed.

American's are far less healthy than Canadians. I can't imagine the waiting times here if we go to a Canadian style system.

The only way a socialized system might work here in the U.S would be if the federal government just gave a block grant based on population to the states and we lived as healthy as people in Japan and the wages were much lower in the health care profession.
You should spend some time in an emergency waiting room to get an idea of why there might be a wait list. One evening my son had a good bump on his head. We went into a full waiting room and he was admitted immediately. I asked why he was admitted when the waiting room was full, and it was because many new immigrants go to emergency when a child has the sniffles. That is, the emergency department is too often used as a drop-in doctor visit where there is no emergency. This certainly makes a difference for real emergencies, which are typically moved to the top of the list while those with the sniffles wait for hours.

Canadians are, well, super healthy from climbing all those mountains, building igloos, spearing wildlife and hanging out in the emergency room when they have the sniffles.
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Old 06-07-2018, 07:32 PM
 
Location: Philaburbia
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7 hours sounds about average.
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Old 06-07-2018, 07:58 PM
 
Location: Canada
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Umm guys, I see you’ve met our resident Canadian troll. She reincarnates regularly in the Canada forum but I guess she’s decided to spread her wings a little, landed here in this forum and dangled some bait. Her posts will become more and more outrageous until a moderator makes her go *poof*... then she will disappear until she reincarnates again under another ID.

She’s harmless though and never mean.
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Old 06-07-2018, 08:06 PM
 
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Are ambulance rides up there really that cheap? I mean....$500 thats my co-pay for one now with my better insurance here in the US.
Yup $45.00 all in.

You have to be a resident of the provicne and have an OHIP card but yup -- 45...
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Old 06-07-2018, 08:07 PM
 
Location: Eugene, Oregon
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How about Canadians get to go to the doctor. Canadians get healthcare coverage. Canadians don't die due to lack of health coverage.

https://abcnews.go.com/Health/Wellne...ry?id=13887040

https://thinkprogress.org/sick-orego...-8e051bd580bf/

The OP is trying to feel better, by deflecting from the reality that the U. S. is going to have a similar, single-payer health care system, just as soon as the current bunch of scoundrels is tossed out of office. Then we really will have a big, beautiful health care program and it will cost a lot less than you'd believe.

But health care insurance companies and management organizations will be putting many of their former workers in unemployment waiting lines. No longer will they bleed about 40% of the funding into their pockets. No longer will they be using so much of our money to pay lobbyists and crooked politicians.

The added benefit is that healthy living habits and prevention will be emphasized. Not so much currently, as that's bad for the health care business, as it now exists. Food producers and restaurants that really do provide nutritious and healthy meals, will get recognized by this new system and be given high ratings. Recipients of the health service will get credits towards cash bonuses, when they patronize them. The same type bonuses for membership and attendance at fitness clubs or certification to do self-organized exercise at home. The bonuses would cost far less, than would be saved by having the population eating well and keeping physically fit.

Last edited by Steve McDonald; 06-07-2018 at 08:18 PM..
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Old 06-07-2018, 08:10 PM
 
Location: San Diego CA>Tijuana, BC>San Antonio, TX
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^^ I work for one of the biggest healthcare companies in the US, trust me, my company finds ways to insert themselves into government run programs. Much of our business is government contracts Medicaid/Tricare/Medicare. The US govt will not be running a VA or NHS type system for all citizens, ever.

Even when the company lost money on the ACA exchanges, profits soared from other areas of the business despite how bad the media made it seem ACA was for us.
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Old 06-07-2018, 08:15 PM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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You apparently can't imagine what US waiting times are today either.


I can't imagine what waiting for medical care is like because I have never had to.

Every time I have visited the ER, I have been seen within a few minutes.

However, I have waited long hours at the Secretary of State (Michigan's version of the DMV) to renew my license.

In fact, I can't recall ever doing something with a government agency that didn't involve me waiting several hours, even after setting an appointment date, for a service that required just a couple minutes of a government employee's time.

A state agency (take your pick) will always be the model of inefficiency and incompetency.
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