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Old 05-30-2018, 08:32 PM
 
Location: Denver, CO
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You’re funny, presuming to know (let alone understand) what I studied. I’ll help you out; there’s more to economics the Keynesian theory, but you already know that are are playing the ignorance card, yet again.
Maybe I ASS-U-MEd, but that's pretty much all that is promoted by people like Krugman, et al.

Once I went Austrian, I never went back.
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Old 05-30-2018, 09:08 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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Holy crap. Not a peep from the MSM.

That's why they hate us.
The governor of that particular area assures us it was an accident and that U.S. officials have been notified.

Problem solved!

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Old 05-30-2018, 09:49 PM
 
Location: Denver, CO
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The governor of that particular area assures us it was an accident and that U.S. officials have been notified.

Problem solved!

Will U.S. officials notify the taxpayer their income was used for a good cause?
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Old 05-30-2018, 09:50 PM
 
Location: My House
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...and critical thinking ability.

For example:

"Obama is a Marxist/communist/socialist." He was nothing of the sort; how many industries did he seize to allow the State to take over production? How many property owners had their land seized to be turned into communal, State-owned farms? How many millions of Americans starved to death through communist-caused famines? How many food shortages and bread lines were there?

"Trump is a Nazi." He is nothing of the sort. How many industries has he nationalized? How many labor unions has he consolidated into one State-owned union? How many billions has he allocated for a comprehensive social welfare system to create a "socially just state," by providing rent supplements,
interest-free loans for married couples, along with mandatory healthcare insurance (aka Obamacare)?

"Obama gutted the military." What utter tripe. Under Obama, military spending was the highest in American history, even more than under Bush. He also doubled U.S. arms sales than Bush, to $278 billion. Don't give me this BS about how he destroyed the "national defense."

"Trump is Putin's puppet." Again, what utter tripe. If Trump was bought and paid for by the Russians, he wouldn't have illegally bombed Syria, wouldn't be threatening China, wouldn't be threatening Iran, and wouldn't be sending U.S. destroyers into the Black Sea to try and intimidate them.

There are many, many more examples of this. Just go to any online political forum/town hall or watch/read corporate media.

The average American IQ is 98, and falling; it's easy to the the results.
Correction:

BELIEVING the hyperbole is a sign of low intelligence.

Politics is full of hyperbole.

Intelligent people and intelligent politicians do not actually BELIEVE the hyperbole.
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Old 05-31-2018, 04:19 AM
 
Location: New Jersey
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That's the fault of the person, not the drugs. Theft and robbery are crimes, but are a symptom.
don't move the goalposts.

you said doing drugs hurts no one.
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Old 05-31-2018, 10:18 AM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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don't move the goalposts.

you said doing drugs hurts no one.
You can't be serious on this one.
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Old 05-31-2018, 12:39 PM
 
Location: Marquette, Mich
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Natural law is a philosophy, not a fact. You may believe in natural law; you may identify philosophers who write about natural law; you may have read a blog that references natural law; it is still a philosophy.


One doesn't sign a social contract--it exists when individuals decide to live under its conditions (often tacitly).



I'm lolling at the idea of your own private internet! Do you understand how it works? Are you going to have your own network? Design your own protocols? Create your own cables? Launch your own satellites? If you do create your own protocols, who will you include? Or is this your own personal internet of 1? Where you gonna get your own bandwidth? You will certainly create your own browser, since using one means agreeing to rules...oh, but why bother, since you won't be able to visit any sites, since they have rules of use (including this one, which is pretty rulesy--what on earth are you doing here?



Then I start picturing privatized roads. Hah! So, when your neighbor gets mad, he can decide nobody uses his road? What if your neighbor decides he doesn't need the road, lets it deteriorate, and it becomes impassable? You'll go around? But THAT neighbor doesn't want a road, either. Such a dilemma.


You talk about marketplaces, but Craigslist, eBay, etc., all depend on the structure of the internet. Plus, you have to agree to certain rules to use them. And delivering things will take roads...


People aren't all bad. But they are self-serving. We cannot base a workable society on self-serving individuals. At least not one MOST of us want to live in. Find a place and build your anarchistic paradise. See how it works for you. No taxes, no laws, no public spaces...and you'll be on your own. Better have good farm land, and maybe a climate that won't require public utilities, and good water, plus no areas prone to disaster (tornado, flooding, etc.). You'll want to be self-contained as possible to ward off invasions--an island SOUNDS good, but not one where a tsunami or rising ocean levels can get you, or within a flood zone if fresh-water...


Now, doing coke isn't something that happens in a vacuum. Was anyone hurt or exploited in creating or providing the drug to you? How did it get to you? And how DID you pay for it?



And hyperbole isn't a lie. It's an inflation of the truth for dramatic effect and is intentional. The key is intentional. People who use hyperbole do so knowingly. I'm so hungry I could eat a horse! There were a million people at the movie! My new shoes cost an arm & a leg! His speech was so awful, my head exploded!
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Old 05-31-2018, 01:32 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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Natural law is a philosophy, not a fact. You may believe in natural law; you may identify philosophers who write about natural law; you may have read a blog that references natural law; it is still a philosophy.


One doesn't sign a social contract--it exists when individuals decide to live under its conditions (often tacitly).



I'm lolling at the idea of your own private internet! Do you understand how it works? Are you going to have your own network? Design your own protocols? Create your own cables? Launch your own satellites? If you do create your own protocols, who will you include? Or is this your own personal internet of 1? Where you gonna get your own bandwidth? You will certainly create your own browser, since using one means agreeing to rules...oh, but why bother, since you won't be able to visit any sites, since they have rules of use (including this one, which is pretty rulesy--what on earth are you doing here?



Then I start picturing privatized roads. Hah! So, when your neighbor gets mad, he can decide nobody uses his road? What if your neighbor decides he doesn't need the road, lets it deteriorate, and it becomes impassable? You'll go around? But THAT neighbor doesn't want a road, either. Such a dilemma.


You talk about marketplaces, but Craigslist, eBay, etc., all depend on the structure of the internet. Plus, you have to agree to certain rules to use them. And delivering things will take roads...


People aren't all bad. But they are self-serving. We cannot base a workable society on self-serving individuals. At least not one MOST of us want to live in. Find a place and build your anarchistic paradise. See how it works for you. No taxes, no laws, no public spaces...and you'll be on your own. Better have good farm land, and maybe a climate that won't require public utilities, and good water, plus no areas prone to disaster (tornado, flooding, etc.). You'll want to be self-contained as possible to ward off invasions--an island SOUNDS good, but not one where a tsunami or rising ocean levels can get you, or within a flood zone if fresh-water...


Now, doing coke isn't something that happens in a vacuum. Was anyone hurt or exploited in creating or providing the drug to you? How did it get to you? And how DID you pay for it?



And hyperbole isn't a lie. It's an inflation of the truth for dramatic effect and is intentional. The key is intentional. People who use hyperbole do so knowingly. I'm so hungry I could eat a horse! There were a million people at the movie! My new shoes cost an arm & a leg! His speech was so awful, my head exploded!
If natural law is merely a philosophy then government wouldn't exist because individuals make up a government. Uncle Sam doesn't pop babies out of his vagina (I'm assuming he would have to identify as a woman if he did but your Statist logic is known to be quite confusing).

Ya see brother, like all other Statists you really should stick to the chicken or the egg dilemma. It's a fact that individuals exist and have existed without government.

You can't "create" rights where none existed before. If this were true you would be out raping, robbing, and killing others to make your life easier. But you don't because you know it's against natural law. So what you do is invent a mythical social contract to give rights out of thin air (because individuals can't do what government does) to do your dirty work for you.

It's the equivalent of starting with a fact:

A. No human has the right to enslave another human.
A. No human can fly.

We "socially contract" the above concepts and get the following:

B. No human has the right to enslave another human unless two or more people decide it's for the common good.

B. No human can fly unless two or more people decide it's for the common good.

Your logic dictates that B is true.

My advice to you is to rethink your logical and moral consistency...plus stay away from high-rise buildings. Wouldn't want you really believing you can actually fly and jump off one.
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Old 05-31-2018, 02:41 PM
 
Location: AZ
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You can't "create" rights where none existed before. If this were true you would be out raping, robbing, and killing others to make your life easier. But you don't because you know it's against natural law.
This is where your “logic” unravels. You’ve wrongly assumed that all actors in your anarchistc society are rational, mentally stable beings. This assumption is wrong. Furthermore, how do you explain wild primates “raping, robbing, and killing others”? Are you saying that natural law doesn’t pertain to them? Or is it a only a construct for human society?
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Old 05-31-2018, 02:52 PM
 
Location: Marquette, Mich
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If natural law is merely a philosophy then government wouldn't exist because individuals make up a government. Uncle Sam doesn't pop babies out of his vagina (I'm assuming he would have to identify as a woman if he did but your Statist logic is known to be quite confusing).


That's hilarious. Really, really funny. I mean, I just can't...Look, "natural law" is what you believe in. You think there have been eons without government? Tribal hierarchy isn't just "natural law." Ideas about ownership, allegiances, social structure have been around quite literally forever.


Ya see brother, like all other Statists you really should stick to the chicken or the egg dilemma. It's a fact that individuals exist and have existed without government.


Sister. It's sister, thank you. The fact that individuals have existed without government is moot. We (or, I) live in a world where laws and government exist. YOU are the odd man out. There are more people willing to live within the structure that care enough to live without. You care that much? Find a way.



You can't "create" rights where none existed before. If this were true you would be out raping, robbing, and killing others to make your life easier. But you don't because you know it's against natural law. So what you do is invent a mythical social contract to give rights out of thin air (because individuals can't do what government does) to do your dirty work for you.



What? Yes you can. We have. Not everything YOU hold as a right is "natural law." That's balderdash.


It's the equivalent of starting with a fact:

A. No human has the right to enslave another human.
A. No human can fly.

We "socially contract" the above concepts and get the following:

B. No human has the right to enslave another human unless two or more people decide it's for the common good.

B. No human can fly unless two or more people decide it's for the common good.

Your logic dictates that B is true.



"My logic"? You know nothing. No. Individuality and free will and curiosity and intelligence and all sorts of things can influence what we do. There are certainly things I agree are right & wrong. But we still have to define them, or we get a situation like slavery. I would never rape, rob, steal to get what I want--but I only know myself within the culture I've been raised & have lived. That much is true. I just don't have the ideology that self-serving is the best way. I do believe in raising others up when they need help, and I do believe in doing the right thing for the sake of it.



And a human cannot fly unaided--THAT is fact. He can fly with assistance--he can think about it, he can build a machine, he can fly if he builds it correctly. He could, theoretically, do it on his own. It's more fun with a buddy, I imagine.


My advice to you is to rethink your logical and moral consistency...plus stay away from high-rise buildings. Wouldn't want you really believing you can actually fly and jump off one.

I don't understand your level of self-importance. You think your philosophy is the only correct one? That's a problem. I don't think mine is. But it's the one I'm comfortable with. I don't think everything is perfect, either. But I understand that I live with many, many other individuals, and it is in our best interest to find common ground and reach for (wait for it...) the greater good. And, my dear, that includes you. Whether you like it or not.
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