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Old 06-01-2018, 09:08 AM
 
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Yeah go ahead California say that, then look like hypocrites because you used the same law to prop up your failing energy sector in 2001.
That's wrong on so many levels. The blackouts were caused by a Republican governor who thoroughly deregulated the electricity markets, which opened the door to the likes of Enron to game the market in a criminal and fraudulent way.

State's rights -- we don't want coal, we don't need coal and Trump has no business trying to shove it down our throats. Solar, wind and hydro work very well for us, with a boost from natural gas. We're good.
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Old 06-01-2018, 09:27 AM
 
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That's wrong on so many levels. The blackouts were caused by a Republican governor who thoroughly deregulated the electricity markets, which opened the door to the likes of Enron to game the market in a criminal and fraudulent way.

State's rights -- we don't want coal, we don't need coal and Trump has no business trying to shove it down our throats. Solar, wind and hydro work very well for us, with a boost from natural gas. We're good.


Bingo- the blackouts were artificial contracts means to game price of electricity. Definitely not something to point to on this issue...
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Old 06-01-2018, 09:34 AM
 
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Not exactly “free market economics” if true.



https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...lants-jhv94ghl

Ron Brownstein

We do not have free energy markets. Deal with it. Energy is a regulated utility.

I disagree with our energy policy including Trump's position , but there has not been a free market in energy for years.


If the government wants to get involved it can buy a surplus of energy . Probably should not be picking the technology.
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Old 06-01-2018, 09:37 AM
 
Location: Sonoran Desert
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That's wrong on so many levels. The blackouts were caused by a Republican governor who thoroughly deregulated the electricity markets, which opened the door to the likes of Enron to game the market in a criminal and fraudulent way.

State's rights -- we don't want coal, we don't need coal and Trump has no business trying to shove it down our throats. Solar, wind and hydro work very well for us, with a boost from natural gas. We're good.
A large percentage of CA power still comes from coal fired plants in New Mexico, Arizona, and Utah. You just export the pollution while importing the power.
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Old 06-01-2018, 09:42 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Gilead
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one- looking forward to all the Trump lemmings who praise the free market spinning this one


two- gotta love an admin who's intrinsic mantra is let's look back to the 50's....


US used to be about leading through innovation. Now we're the Back to the Future nation....

That is what this is all about. Most Americans cannot accept that the 1950s are over and want to return there at any cost. They cannot accept that the future isn't coal but high tech and renewable. They cannot accept that women, non-whites, LGBT, and non-Christians have a more equal place at the table with white men and are doing everything they can to reverse that. If they can't have their 1950s theme-park version of America, they have no qualms about just destroying the country.
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Old 06-01-2018, 09:44 AM
 
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Is this part of his Five Year Plan? What's next for the Trump planned economy? Collective farms? Gulags for his enemies?


The Great Leap Backwards...brought to you by your friends at Trump Hotels...
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Old 06-01-2018, 10:20 AM
 
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The way to get people to see your point of view is to call them names.......or so it seems.


I guess those posts calling me a snowflake, libt@rd, leftist, etc are just polite colloquialisms I am unfamiliar with at present?
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Old 06-01-2018, 10:23 AM
 
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Brought by the same party that screamed over health insurance and free markets. He wants to force the government to buy more expensive polluting coal over natural gas. Washington state uses a lot of hydro power. We should not have to get dragged into Trump’s mess.
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Old 06-01-2018, 10:25 AM
 
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Idiotic Trump supporting a 19th Century fossil fuel that is headed for obsolescence when the world is quickly moving beyond coal. If Trump were around at the turn of the 19th century he would be defending whale oil and horse power.
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Old 06-01-2018, 12:23 PM
 
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This is for 2 years according to the article. The energy grid is a complicated issue and who can argue with the desire to maintain our nations energy security. It's coal and nuclear by the way... not just coal. There is also clean coal and retrofitting plants to reduce emissions.

More jobs for Americans.
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