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Old 06-02-2018, 10:08 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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One of government's main jobs is to keep its citizens safe. To protect their right to LIFE, liberty, pursuit of happiness etc.

But we keep getting legislators who work hard to get elected, often on the premise they will "do something" about murders, rapes, muggings etc., especially mass shootings like Santa Fe TX, Las Vegas etc.

And their schemes consistently fail. By the liberals' own admission, these mass shootings are getting worse and worse. And yet the same legislator merely keep calling for more of the same failed schemes: Disarming law-abiding people while letting the lawbreakers continue with no more restraint than they have ever had.

And they keep insisting that making more of these laws will reduce the number of shootings, mass murders etc., despite clear evidence showing otherwise. Even the legislators themselves admit their schemes have accomplished nothing... by repeatedly pointing to statistics that seem to show increasing numbers of mass shootings after they have enacted their favorite laws.

Isn't it time to say enough is enough?

Tennessee enacted a law recently that says if a store owner or other such person puts a sign in his store saying "no guns allowed" (a sign mass murderers love to see), then the store owner himself must take responsibility for the safety of the people in the store, since he has stripped them of their right to defend themselves.
https://americanconcealed.com/articl...isarm-patrons/

Perhaps we should hold legislators to the same standard. Whether Federal, state, local etc.

If some legislators have made a law saying you can't bring a gun into a school, post office etc., and some nutcase breezes in and starts shooting anyway, those legislators should be held responsible for the safety of the people they disarmed... and who just got murdered.

After such a long record of failures, the legislators know that disarming law-abiding people doesn't cut down on the murders of those people. And even increases their risk. Isn't it time we start holding those legislators who do it anyway, as being partly responsible for the crimes they claimed they'd stop?

Protesting that "they didn't know it would turn out that way" doesn't cut it any more. They've had plenty of time, and years (decades) of evidence showing how often it DOES turn out that way. Again and again. Indeed, they are the ones piously telling the cameras how bad it's getting.

The nutcase who pulled the trigger is primarily responsible, obviously. But when he gets help from his friends in the legislature, who keep providing him with a disarmed school where he can blaze away to his heart's content before police finally show up long minutes later, isn't it time to start singling the legislators out too, and acknowledge that they are the ones who helped make the crime possible?

After the nutcase mass murderer goes to the chair, what punishment should the legislators who knowingly made his crime easier, get? Remember, saying they didn't know it would happen, doesn't cut it any more. They've had plenty of time and opportunity to learn that it does... any yet they made it easier for him anyway.
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Old 06-02-2018, 07:37 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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Interesting. But not unexpected.

Not a single liberal wants to get within 10 feet of a discussion that might result in their being held actually responsible for their failures. Even if their penalties would only be a fraction of what the madman who pulled the trigger might get. Even a relatively small penalty has them running and hiding in classic leftist omigawd-they-caught-us fashion.

The saving grace of liberal existence, gun-rights-haters in particular, is that nobody has ever held them accountable for promising things and never delivering. Their faithful base has long exhibits the 10-minute memory vital to liberals surviving their failures intact. The idea of actually holding them responsible, and exacting punishment for the deaths they enabled, would be something new in their existence. Exceeding even running a poor candidate in 2016 and getting their heads handed to them.

Will we ever see any liberals in this thread? Or will they simply cower in their mothers' basements as usual, and hope the ideas discussed here eventually go away, so they can come out again and feign innocence once more?

Should legislators be held responsible for shootings that occur after they enact anti-gun laws that accomplish nothing?
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Old 06-02-2018, 08:04 PM
 
Location: USA
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Interesting. But not unexpected.

Not a single liberal wants to get within 10 feet of a discussion that might result in their being held actually responsible for their failures.
Lol - good one.

So, what, exactly, are righties doing about gun violence? Because if you're going to whine about "holding liberals accountable for gun law failures," how are you going to treat the right-wingers who simply refuse to acknowledge the problem?

Either there IS a gun violence problem, in which case right-wingers are more guilty than "liberals" since they don't even try to fix the problem... or there is no problem - as righties claim - in which case, there's no reason to whine about "liberals."

Meanwhile, nearly every other developed nation on the planet has found a way to vastly reduce gun violence and gun crime, and many nations still have plenty of guns. So, the right-wing claim that "laws can't fix this" is utter nonsense.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...ted_death_rate
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Old 06-03-2018, 08:20 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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Well, it's taken the liberals one post to make the usual attempt to change the subject to "but... but... REPUBLICANSSS!!!!".

Back to the subject:
These people have spent decades insisting they can reduce the number of murders, mass shootings etc. by restricting law-aiding people from carrying certain kinds of guns, owning certain numbers of guns, waiting certain periods before buying guns, having them in certain places etc. While spending half their time insisting this will make things better, they spend the other half wailing that mass shootings are getting worse and worse, and that "we must do something!" All the while blocking plans that actually have a chance of accomplishing the goal of reducing murders, mass shootings etc.

Isn't it time we said, "Enough is enough!" ? And start holding them at least partially responsible for the murders they have completely failed to stop, and have even enabled?
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Old 06-03-2018, 08:23 AM
 
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Well, should they be held responsible for damage caused by bad guys having weapons that normal citizens should not possess ? That sword cuts both ways.
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Old 06-03-2018, 08:26 AM
 
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Sure … blame anyone except the shooter.
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Old 06-03-2018, 08:28 AM
 
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Can we start with parents being responsible for their kids with guns? Maybe not jail time, but some form of punishment?
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Old 06-03-2018, 08:29 AM
 
Location: City Data Land
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"Should legislators be held responsible for shootings that occur after they enact anti-gun laws that accomplish nothing?" That's a loaded question if I ever heard one. I couldn't possibly speculate and neither can OP, because GUN CONTROL HASN'T BEEN ENACTED.

Gun control, an obvious strategy to combat the continuous violence, is being swept under the rug. The school shootings are happening every single week, and our Republican government is doing absolutely nothing about it. How is inaction working out for us, OP? It isn't.
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Old 06-03-2018, 08:30 AM
 
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I have a better idea, OP. Let's hold the party/legislators who want to do absolutely nothing about the problem responsible for every shooting that happens going forward.** That works for me.

***[Hint--that's not the left.]
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Old 06-03-2018, 08:51 AM
 
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I have a better idea, OP. Let's hold the party/legislators who want to do absolutely nothing about the problem responsible for every shooting that happens going forward.** That works for me.

***[Hint--that's not the left.]
Exactly. These right-wing jokers refuse to even acknowledge there IS a gun violence problem in America, and then have the nerve to try to blame the one party that is at least trying to address it for the problem. It's like blaming firemen for failing to put out a forest fire after refusing to even report the fire until it is out of control. As with so many things, it is the right, not the left, who is intentionally causing problems and completely wrong about the issue.

Still, the irony is hilarious. Every time gun violence crops up on this forum, the righties pretend it's no big deal - despite the facts - but now they want to blame "somebody else" for not fixing it? They are so unaccountable and useless!
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