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Italy and all of Europe faces tough choices. The birth rate of native nationals is not enough to provide needed labor and sustain economic growth. They have to bring in workers. But the source of workers is culturally distant from that of western Europe leading to a clash that is difficult for them to work through. The US faces the same problem but our immigrants are mostly from Latin America and share our dominant religious and cultural traditions. We do have language problem, but it is minor and self-correcting with time.
I keep hearing robots are going to take over all our jobs so I don't know why western nations need to import people to fill them, especially the unskilled jobs. And you are right that their are not religious conflicts with south American migration, and I'll even say the cultural differences are less extreme than they are with middle easterners, but the language problem may be bigger now than it has been before in our history.
We previously had migration of people who shared western heritage but had many different languages. They had to learn English not just to communicate with native born Americans, but also with different immigrant groups. With the current wave of migration they not only share a culture but they also share a language much more so than in the past. They need to learn English to speak with the native born population but not to communicate with each other. If they come here too rapidly and in great enough numbers they may start to feel they never need to learn to communicate with the native born population at all, especially since we as a nation have an aversion to declaring an official language. We'll have two societies living within one very porous border who are only able to communicate with each other in a limited fashion.
Italy and all of Europe faces tough choices. The birth rate of native nationals is not enough to provide needed labor and sustain economic growth. They have to bring in workers. But the source of workers is culturally distant from that of western Europe leading to a clash that is difficult for them to work through. The US faces the same problem but our immigrants are mostly from Latin America and share our dominant religious and cultural traditions. We do have language problem, but it is minor and self-correcting with time.
This problem is easily solved with having quotas and visas allowing immigrants from all over the world to participate in Europe's workforce as needed and where needed. The problem isn't solved by allowing mass uncontrolled immigration by anyone lucky enough to get on a boat and crossing the Mediterranean from North Africa.
No one has argued that people from the Middle East and North Africa can not ever step on European soil. Countries have a right no matter who they are to control immigration. Immigration should be a positive, benefiting those countries that want and need it and controlled by those governments whether it be Italy or Great Britain or Germany or Lithuania.
Italy and all of Europe faces tough choices. The birth rate of native nationals is not enough to provide needed labor and sustain economic growth. They have to bring in workers. But the source of workers is culturally distant from that of western Europe leading to a clash that is difficult for them to work through. The US faces the same problem but our immigrants are mostly from Latin America and share our dominant religious and cultural traditions. We do have language problem, but it is minor and self-correcting with time.
I think you're getting the problem all wrong. For one thing, Europe has actively advocated zero-population politics. The native white European population is convinced that it's immoral to have more than one or two children. They think that having zero children is somehow heroic. They need to reverse course on that in a big way.
And the Muslim immigrants they're bringing in to compensate aren't being vetted and they aren't being held accountable when they commit crimes. 40 year old men come in claiming to be 15 years old boys. In-group preference for Muslims and hatred for non-Muslims leads to religiously motivated Muslim rape gangs targeting young white girls by the thousands. They aren't looking for the best, brightest or hardest working people from the Muslim world. They're just letting in anyone who can get there, and what they get is a lot of ill-mannered, violent folks who only came for the free handouts. That is the exact opposite of helpful. It's only making it harder on the native population's dwindling workforce by forcing them to pay for more and more freeloaders. The majority of these new arrivals aren't working and don't intend to start working anytime soon. They end up in ghettos and tent cities. They feel mistreated. They lash out. They attack white people in the streets, drive trucks through large crowds, blow up trains, etc. They scream their intent to turn all of Europe into an Islamic Caliphate from the rooftops and the authorities don't seem to care one bit.
The blunder is the whole concept of multiculturalism: The idea that newcomers do not need to assimilate to European culture, laws and values. The longer all of the resulting problems go unaddressed, the more violent, hostile and ugly the backlash will be.
I think you're getting the problem all wrong. For one thing, Europe has actively advocated zero-population politics. The native white European population is convinced that it's immoral to have more than one or two children. They think that having zero children is somehow heroic. They need to reverse course on that in a big way.
And the Muslim immigrants they're bringing in to compensate aren't being vetted and they aren't being held accountable when they commit crimes. 40 year old men come in claiming to be 15 years old boys. In-group preference for Muslims and hatred for non-Muslims leads to religiously motivated Muslim rape gangs targeting young white girls by the thousands. They aren't looking for the best, brightest or hardest working people from the Muslim world. They're just letting in anyone who can get there, and what they get is a lot of ill-mannered, violent folks who only came for the free handouts. That is the exact opposite of helpful. It's only making it harder on the native population's dwindling workforce by forcing them to pay for more and more freeloaders. The majority of these new arrivals aren't working and don't intend to start working anytime soon. They end up in ghettos and tent cities. They feel mistreated. They lash out. They attack white people in the streets, drive trucks through large crowds, blow up trains, etc. They scream their intent to turn all of Europe into an Islamic Caliphate from the rooftops and the authorities don't seem to care one bit.
The blunder is the whole concept of multiculturalism: The idea that newcomers do not need to assimilate to European culture, laws and values. The longer all of the resulting problems go unaddressed, the more violent, hostile and ugly the backlash will be.
You can only push people so far without a backlash. Italians are already there. Then when pushed to the edge, they are called racist because of their stand on uncontrolled immigration and their resentment of foreigners from certain parts of the world trying to dominate their lives. Italians don't owe the world anything because of some history that happened centuries ago and neither do other Europeans. They'll do what's best for them and rightly so.
It's just a matter of time before France, Great Britain and maybe even Germany follow and take back control of their countries.
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Most of you here are of the same racist ilk of your ancient forefathers. The very same ones that established the institution of slavery, colonized India and Africa, and annihilated the indigenous American.
I can clearly see that a skunk never quite loses its white stripe!
FYI: Brazil was the first to establish the institution of slavery in the America's and they were the last to abolish it.
Denmark, Britain, and America were some of the first countries to abolish slavery.
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"The message said that April 3 would be “Punish a Muslim Day,” and that points would be awarded for acts of violence: 25 points for pulling off a woman’s head scarf, 500 points for murdering a Muslim and 1,000 for bombing a mosque."
There is plenty of slavery going on currently based out of Africa. This link will provide you with a plethora of articles about slavery, none of which involves any white people. Although looking at your state of mind I can imagine you'll find a way to trace it back to white people. The blame game is a strong and long-lasting one with no winners in sight.
Mauritania was the last country in the world to abolish slavery in 1981 and passed anti-slavery laws in 2007, but these laws still haven’t been implemented. In large parts of the country, slave status is still passed down from mother to child.
The routine abuse of thousands of enslaved Mauritanians, including rape, beatings and unpaid labour, should prevent the African republic from receiving US trade benefits, American labour unions have said.
Mauritania, which has one of the highest rates of modern-day slavery in the world and has been roundly criticised for its poor human rights record, is currently on a list of countries that benefit from the African Growth and Opportunity Act (Agoa). The act, designed to promote the economic development of countries that can show they uphold human rights and meet labour standards, enables African countries to export goods duty-free to US markets.
Child labour is a major problem in Ghana, affecting more than one-fifth of young people. The figure can be much higher in coastal areas, where poverty-hit families send their children to work or sell them into labour. Research by volunteering organisation Ubelong suggests more than 80% of children in the town of Senya are trafficked into hazardous work in the fishing industry
Humans are a vile animal, and the world is currently the best it's ever been in that regard despite our overdramatic tone in the U.S. This world is much less violent than it's been in the past although it's hard to tell when you've had it so good.
You can blame a certain population for it if you'd like, why not. All humans can and do act vile to this very day so that'll work.
If Italy is done putting up with what it views as barbaric acts, then they have every right to demand a change or eliminate the population they hold accountable for it. Just like you blame whites, they blame these immigrants. It seems that's just human nature. We will see how it works out. They'll be good and bad consequences I'm sure, there always is.
"The message said that April 3 would be “Punish a Muslim Day,” and that points would be awarded for acts of violence: 25 points for pulling off a woman’s head scarf, 500 points for murdering a Muslim and 1,000 for bombing a mosque."
See, there are rotten apples in every barrel. We are all human. This could go on and on and on and on.....
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There’s a difference between immigration and invasion. When immigrants enter a country legally they do so normally with the intent of learning the native language, assimilating to the local culture, all the while holding onto those aspects of their home culture they hold dear as long as it doesn’t violate the laws of their new country. What’s happening in these cases are a people who are invading the country with no intention of assimilating to the local culture and are actively committing crimes against the people of the country and their visiting tourist. True, a nation suffering a decrease in population does need to sometimes increase their population through immigration but usually this is done through a screening process and with set limits to avoid overpopulation and taxing the support services and local law enforcement. In cases of true refugees, usually the refugees are made up mostly of families (mother, father, children, elderly), disabled, and those in medical need. What Europe is seeing is a majority of men of military age. Those aren’t refugees, those are invaders.
Before governments were formed that brainwashed their citizens into believing it is wrong to allow immigrants into a country, but only under certain conditions ... people moved all about earth, going from one land to another. It is how we all came to be in the country that we live in, because all of us have ancestors that moved, from the place they were born to. The one thing we have in common with all the other species on the planet, we too are part of the animal kingdom.
The one thing we do not have in common with the rest of the animal kingdom, is we use words to justify our actions, whether they be justifiable or not, doesn't matter ...
There is a flip side to every story, but yet many will only tell the one ...
These people don't want to leave their country any more than any one else wants to leave theirs, for the same reasons ... they love their home.
"There are many reasons why asylum seekers may want to go back to their countries. According to Asadi, refugees who have a legal status may choose to return because they feel that all their attempts at integrating into Germany society have failed or because they feel homesick and "want to die in their homeland.""
Migrants, refugees and asylum-seekers’ rights are protected by international law, regardless of how and why they arrive in a country. They have the same rights as all other human beings, plus special protections including:
The Universal Declaration of Human Rights (Article 14), which states that everyone has the right to seek and enjoy asylum from persecution in other countries.
The 1951 UN Refugee Convention, which protects refugees from being returned to countries where they risk being persecuted.
'Reverse migration’ from Europe is growing. But it’s a dangerous, difficult journey
Now I know the argument that these people are, 'invaders'.
When I was in 8th grade, my father wanted to move us to another city. He went ahead of the rest of us, secured a job, a place to stay, then returned for moving day ... just saying.
Some move from their country, so as to find, religious freedoms
We are being, 'led' to believe many things, most of which is untrue, yet we continue to believe it, none-the-less.
PS: We can not move to another continent like it was done 200 years ago and establish a government of our making. There are only two ways in which that can be done today ... change the ideas of the existing government, where one resides. Or ... move to a country that has a governmental value that most resembles the same values.
Most people cast their judgements from a place that if their situation changed, they'd be hard pressed to find a country willing to take them in, for much of the same reasons they give for not allowing the free movement of people.
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