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Old 06-05-2018, 01:41 AM
 
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As far as the Constitution is concerned, however, the First Amendment's religious freedom protections are clear that government is not to judge the validity/appropriateness/etc. of one's religious beliefs. Plain and simple. .
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Old 06-05-2018, 01:45 AM
 
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. The only precedent is that the Civil Rights organization went too far And that is a vague description as is.
Great precedent, which will lead future ones, in 50 states, to stay within our founding fathers intent, and not judge religion.

The Commission members in Colorado are likely going to be sued, as they should be, and settle out of court, which would be their prudent choice.

They were 100% biased against the baker simply because he is a religious man.

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Old 06-05-2018, 03:21 AM
 
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I'm guessing the gay couple that is refused a wedding cake is going to make sure the locals know. And that is their right. Odds are it will cost the bakery. Not too many gay couples that are refused a wedding cake are going to go back and buy Sunday croissants after that.
Who cares. Everyone is entitled to their values and beliefs. It the food tastes good, I will eat it and I don't care whether a gay couple got really mad at a baker when the baker wouldn't do as demanded.
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Old 06-05-2018, 03:31 AM
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I'm not anti gay but feel a business has a right to not serve or do business with whoever they please. If this bakery had refused to bake a cake for a racist redneck couple - the libs would be having a parade in the streets - but because thee owner feels it's against his religious principles - something many libs abhor - than it's a terrible thing.
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Old 06-05-2018, 04:08 AM
 
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Great to see Colorado could not shove their ideology down a religious business owner's throat.
Yep, that is the very epitome of the separation of church and state. Private vs. Public. All the "hand-wringers" in this thread notwithstanding.

One can be ejected from a bar for wearing a MAGA hat. And bakers don't have to create custom-ordered cakes for a same sex wedding.
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Old 06-05-2018, 04:11 AM
 
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It's too bad the Gods can't fight back in Court; fr'instance by suing for defamation of character, libel, or slandering their reputation, et cetera.
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Old 06-05-2018, 04:25 AM
 
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That's the Supremes for you. They'll screw both sides over with arbitrary rulings on meaningless cases( like this one) turned into landmark rulings by the media. But when REAL cases come before them, ones that impact the middle class, the economy, personal freedoms against an authoritarian government, then they'll side against the people every time and back big business and the elite. Gotta love the deep state.
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Old 06-05-2018, 05:20 AM
 
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Great to see Colorado could not shove their ideology down a religious business owner's throat.
You didn't understand the ruling did you?

They didn't rule he could choose NOT to serve them.
They ruled that the State of Colorado did not handle the original case properly.

But don't let the details and facts get in the way of your views.
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Old 06-05-2018, 05:24 AM
 
Location: Plymouth Meeting, PA.
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Being black is not an agenda. The civil rights movement was about removing an agenda. This case was about a gay couple forcing someone to accept an agenda.

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It still irritates the heck out of me that reporters consistently describe this bigot baker as a Christian and the couple as just gay. Like a man with decidedly un-Christlike attitudes is the one who is Christian but gay people can't be Christian
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Old 06-05-2018, 05:32 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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Great precedent, which will lead future ones, in 50 states, to stay within our founding fathers intent, and not judge religion.

The Commission members in Colorado are likely going to be sued, as they should be, and settle out of court, which would be their prudent choice.

They were 100% biased against the baker simply because he is a religious man.
The only precedent I saw was that public commissions cannot be openly hostile to business owners, that's it. This really should have been solved locally using some commons sense. The supreme court wanted no part in addressing free speech or religion and we should not expect these cases to get to this level. People need to get along and be reasonable and that goes for both sides in this discussion.
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