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Old 06-05-2018, 04:50 PM
 
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My husband's family came to the country during the very beginning (as "real American" as you could possibly get), and he's a hell of a lot more left leaning than I am (and that's saying something). He actually eagerly voted for Hillary.
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Old 06-05-2018, 05:22 PM
 
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As a dual national who wasn't born here but grew up largely here, works, pays taxes, does jury duty when called, votes, and cares very much about the well-being of the country... go step on a Lego.
But you have divided loyalties. Most Americans do not. How is anyone to be assured that your loyalties are not to a foreign nation and that your actions and motives behind them are not serving the interests of your native country?

This is the very reason why there is a prescription against the foreign born as leaders.
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Old 06-05-2018, 05:32 PM
 
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Real Americans meaning not immigrants/foreigners or "New Americans"...people who have little or no American cultural identity or who do not have a longstanding tie to the country. Basically if your parents or grandparents were not Americans, then you're far more likely to not be "a real American".

"Real American" would also exclude anyone that owes allegiance or has allegiance to a foreign nation - dual nationals, double agents, people who hold globalist views, etc and so forth.
Were you wearing a white hood while typing this?
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Old 06-05-2018, 05:36 PM
 
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His guilt of what? Russian Collusion? Banging a willing stripper? Recieving 145 million dollars from the Russians, Destroying Libya? Freeing Terrorists As bad as Trump is he is improvement over the Nation destroying, Terrorist freeing Obama. When he is responsible for as many deaths as his peace prize winning predessessor we can hold him in the same esteem
He is responsible for almost 4500 deaths in Puerto Rico on his watch and hasn't even been two years!
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Old 06-05-2018, 06:00 PM
 
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But you have divided loyalties. Most Americans do not. How is anyone to be assured that your loyalties are not to a foreign nation and that your actions and motives behind them are not serving the interests of your native country?

This is the very reason why there is a prescription against the foreign born as leaders.
No, I do not. Don't speak for me. I care about both my countries. The well-being of two countries aren't mutually exclusive.

If it was really a problem, the US could simply disallow dual citizenship, like plenty of countries do. But that isn't the case.

I could understand not wanting actual political leaders to be dual citizens, but I'm just a normal person.
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Old 06-05-2018, 06:02 PM
 
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No, I do not. Don't speak for me. I care about both my countries. The well-being of two countries aren't mutually exclusive.

If it was really a problem, the US could simply disallow dual citizenship, like plenty of countries do. But that isn't the case.

I could understand not wanting actual political leaders to be dual citizens, but I'm just a normal person.
500 years from now. There will be folks like him saying “only real Earthlings are from Earth. None of these communist Martians! Go back to your own planet!”
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Old 06-05-2018, 06:23 PM
 
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Here's a clue:

Wanting a better life isn't a valid reason to break our immigration laws.

Becoming an American isn't supposed to be easy.

Any orphanage, no matter how well intentioned, can only take in so many children before it has to start neglecting the ones it already has in order to take care of the new ones.


And a country has a right to decide who it lets in and how many.

No one, from any country, has a "right" to immigrate to America.

These liberal leftists and ethnocentrics don't operate under common sense it's all about bleeding heart emotion with them and for many of them it's because these illegals are of the same ethnic group as they are. We cannot accommodate every immigrant that wants to come here. Why can't they grasp that simple concept? We don't have the jobs and resources to support all those that desire to come here and become citizens as we did in the past. Our population has grown immensely since the past.


Illegal aliens don't care about that it's all about them and their own selfish needs and to hell with our laws and our own citizens. Foreigners who break our immigration laws would not make good citizens anyway they have already shown no respect for our laws or the American people. Not only did they jump our border illegally or over stayed their visas but have committed crimes in order to work and reside here. They live a life of lies and law breaking. We don't owe them anything not do we need those type of people.
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Old 06-05-2018, 06:38 PM
 
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500 years from now. There will be folks like him saying “only real Earthlings are from Earth. None of these communist Martians! Go back to your own planet!”
Then they'll see what real aliens are.
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Old 06-06-2018, 12:51 AM
 
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Were you wearing a white hood while typing this?
Says the guy whose handle is literally advertising his ethnic identity!! Gawd the irony - can’t make this stuff up.
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Old 06-06-2018, 12:55 AM
 
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No, I do not. Don't speak for me. I care about both my countries. The well-being of two countries aren't mutually exclusive.

If it was really a problem, the US could simply disallow dual citizenship, like plenty of countries do. But that isn't the case.

I could understand not wanting actual political leaders to be dual citizens, but I'm just a normal person.
They could be and often are mutually exclusive. You just stated you have divided loyalties . Or as you put it “care”.

Still denying that hyphenated Americanism is not the same as real Americanism undiluted by foreign loyalties and cares ?
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