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Old 06-11-2018, 02:38 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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You seriously hold that "End goal - no raping of children" is immoral?
No. I never said that. Have no clue what you're talking about.
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Old 06-11-2018, 02:40 PM
 
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"No gays allowed". "No colored allowed." Going back to the 1950's and making America Great Again.
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Old 06-11-2018, 02:46 PM
 
Location: Lone Mountain Las Vegas NV
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No. I never said that. Have no clue what you're talking about.
You obviously do not read what you write.
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Old 06-11-2018, 02:48 PM
 
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Question:

Two men live side by side. Man A is peaceful. Simply goes about his day and wishes to be left alone. Man B goes over to Man A's house and tells him, at gunpoint, that he must be paid a fee in return for services that he deems necessary. If Man A doesn't comply Man B will fine, cage, or kill him.

Which, if any man, is morally wrong? Did Man B consent to the fee and services by living next door to Man A? Is it morally incumbent on Man A to leave his home because of Man B's modus operandi?
If Man A fined, caged, and killed Man B's ancestors in order to get that land in the first place, and Man A truly believes in his moral values, then he should leave, no?

This ideal that you push only benefits those currently in power. It forgives all their past sins, but tells everyone who wants to take a stand against their tyranny and oppression that it is no longer allowed to fight back.

In some utopia, it maybe makes sense, in the real world, we call it a fairy tale.
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Old 06-11-2018, 02:48 PM
 
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Question:

Two men live side by side. Man A is peaceful. Simply goes about his day and wishes to be left alone. Man B goes over to Man A's house and tells him, at gunpoint, that he must be paid a fee in return for services that he deems necessary. If Man A doesn't comply Man B will fine, cage, or kill him.

Which, if any man, is morally wrong? Did Man B consent to the fee and services by living next door to Man A? Is it morally incumbent on Man A to leave his home because of Man B's modus operandi?
Well if man A didn’t sign up for a “Man pointing a gun at my face” contract then man B is morally wrong.
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Old 06-11-2018, 02:56 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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You obviously do not read what you write.
I'll try again.

All moral means = a moral ends

All moral ends do not necessarily mean the means were moral.

Is that better?
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Old 06-11-2018, 02:57 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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Well if man A didn’t sign up for a “Man pointing a gun at my face” contract then man B is morally wrong.
Now you're getting it.

Show me all the contracts signed between people and the State and then I'll back off. Just put them on my desk.

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Old 06-11-2018, 02:58 PM
 
Location: Lone Mountain Las Vegas NV
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I'll try again.

All moral means = a moral ends

All moral ends do not necessarily mean the means were moral.

Is that better?
Wow You have finally returned to sanity. That is exactly the point of my original post in this sequence.
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Old 06-11-2018, 02:59 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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If Man A fined, caged, and killed Man B's ancestors in order to get that land in the first place, and Man A truly believes in his moral values, then he should leave, no?

This ideal that you push only benefits those currently in power. It forgives all their past sins, but tells everyone who wants to take a stand against their tyranny and oppression that it is no longer allowed to fight back.

In some utopia, it maybe makes sense, in the real world, we call it a fairy tale.
What past sins?

Each individual is responsible only for himself. You are born, you have rights. They are absolute. The only way to lose your rights is by infringing on the rights of others.
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Old 06-11-2018, 03:00 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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Wow You have finally returned to sanity. That is exactly the point of my original post in this sequence.
Ok. So what's the problem?

Do you understand that forcing a business owner to serve a person is immoral?
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