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Old 06-07-2018, 08:58 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Ummm...

My point was that there IS an opioid/heroin epidemic right now, even though they are "illegal," and decriminalizing them won't make it worse--in fact it will get better since the addicts could get their supplies from reputable businesses.

Sugar may not, but alcohol sure can. Do you advocate for a return to alcohol prohibition?

Shame about your last sentence though, as I enjoy many of your posts and respect your consistency.
But if its legal what will the drug cartels do for employment?
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Old 06-07-2018, 08:59 PM
 
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Says who?
Me. Also watch the abortion threads. Every time I suggest we make it less hard on the poor so there is less of a need for abortion, I largely lose the pro-life crowd.

It isn't going to happen.
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Old 06-07-2018, 09:01 PM
 
Location: Denver, CO
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Cory Gardner is desperate trying to keep his Senate job in a state that is turning Blue on the national level. Crossing the line into the Democratic side is one of the ways he's trying to attract and maintain his base.
As an actual resident of CO, I can tell you that the state isn't really "blue;" it's purple.

What's considered "conservative" here is really right-libertarian, as evidenced by the majority of GOP voters here voting yes on Amendment 64.

Conversely, what is considered "liberal" here is really center-left-libertarian (except for Boulder), as evidenced by the many Democrat gun owners here.
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Old 06-07-2018, 09:05 PM
 
Location: Denver, CO
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Sorry if I misread.
It happens. Nuance helps.

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The things that will kill you with alcohol are largely illegal. Does it still happen? Yes but far more would drive drunk if it was not illegal.
How do you know that? Just because something's "legal" doesn't mean all of a sudden there will be an epidemic of it. See the very small increase of MJ use here in CO after legalization.

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If you are unable to come up with real answers what exactly do you expect? The problem here isn't with me.
What's wrong with my answers? That prohibition never has worked and never will?
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Old 06-07-2018, 09:06 PM
 
Location: Denver, CO
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But if its legal what will the drug cartels do for employment?
They're already successful entrepreneurs; I'm sure they'll think of something.
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Old 06-07-2018, 09:07 PM
 
Location: Self explanatory
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But if its legal what will the drug cartels do for employment?
Really?
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Old 06-07-2018, 09:10 PM
 
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It happens. Nuance helps.



How do you know that? Just because something's "legal" doesn't mean all of a sudden there will be an epidemic of it. See the very small increase of MJ use here in CO after legalization.
Here we go. The threat of arrest most certainly curtails people from driving inebriated.

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What's wrong with my answers? That prohibition never has worked and never will?
Doing something that leads to the death of another has never been legal.
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Old 06-07-2018, 09:48 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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The Constitution does allow the feds to pre-empt state/local law.
Only where the Feds have explicit authorization from the Constitution to regulate the activity/material in question.

On MJ, they have none. Never had any.

The Federal laws against pot are unconstitutional, and always have been. Only the states and local govts can regulate it if they want to.
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Old 06-07-2018, 10:13 PM
 
Location: Honolulu/DMV Area/NYC
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Don't support it. And if these states wanted support, they wouldn't have passed their legalizing/regulation laws in contravention of congressional legislation.
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Old 06-07-2018, 10:16 PM
 
Location: Honolulu/DMV Area/NYC
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Only where the Feds have explicit authorization from the Constitution to regulate the activity/material in question.

On MJ, they have none. Never had any.

The Federal laws against pot are unconstitutional, and always have been. Only the states and local govts can regulate it if they want to.
Under our Constitution and constitutional system, the Supreme Court and inferior courts established by congress hold the judicial power (i.e. the power to interpret and apply the law). And, like it or not, the Supreme Court has ruled that such laws are constitutional. Now, as much as I am against pot legalization, I believe that the Supreme Court got this wrong. But they still ruled this way, which means that it is "constitutional," regardless of what I think.
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