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Old 06-10-2018, 10:39 AM
 
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You are referring to mostly corrupt southern European countries, but that has nothing to do with payroll taxes there. Payroll taxes are just as high or higher in countries like Germany, Austria, Netherlands etc but with a fraction of the unemployment rate of the southern countries.
LOL. O/S of Germany we would call EU populations, states, and many of them would be very small, minor states at that.
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Old 06-10-2018, 10:42 AM
 
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Over 2 million new jobs annually-6.7 million openings.

We are in a superb economic period of time.

Enjoy it.
Yes, flat job growth for many years now, around 2m every year for at least half a decade. EMPLOYMENT figures among the lowest in the OECD. And median incomes not budging for decades.
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Old 06-10-2018, 10:42 AM
 
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Yes let's eliminate Medicare and SS while pretending to want 30-35% payroll taxes like in Western Europe. You're beyond confused.
I've repeatedly said that if YOU (and everyone else who does) want EU-style benefits, YOU have to pay EU-style taxes: regressive.

If you (and others) are not willing to PAY for what you want, it's a moot point. You won't get them.
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Old 06-10-2018, 10:43 AM
 
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LOL. O/S of Germany we would call EU populations, states, and many of them would be very small, minor states at that.
So Germany is excluded now? How convenient. How about the UK, is it also excluded? Doesnt fit your narrative?
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Old 06-10-2018, 10:44 AM
 
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I've repeatedly said that if YOU
I would happily support much higher payroll taxes and a federal sales tax. You on the other hand want to eliminate the already low payroll taxes in America and then pretend you want some EU-style system.
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Old 06-10-2018, 10:44 AM
 
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So Germany is excluded now? How convenient. How about the UK, is it also excluded? Doesnt fit your narrative?
UK only 1.6x California population. UK would just be a state here.
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Old 06-10-2018, 10:46 AM
 
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Not to mention the Ordoliberalism which permeates all of Germany i.e. its people, their culture, economic systems, the relationship to 'workers collectives, philosophies & so on.
True. Ironically, this started because the German elites were afraid that too many Germans were moving to America in the latter half of the 19th century, as it was a national security threat. So they were forced to provide a better deal for the German people.
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Old 06-10-2018, 10:47 AM
 
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I would happily support much higher payroll taxes and a federal sales tax.
We'd have to implement 25% VAT, both flatten the income tax brackets and increase the top marginal income tax rate, and put the middle class in the highest tax bracket right along with the top 1%. Are you on board with that?
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Old 06-10-2018, 10:47 AM
 
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UK only 1.6x California population. UK would just be a state here.
wow, thats convenient. So lets ignore every country on earth and lets only compare ourselves to third world countries like India, China, Pakistan, Indonesia and Nigeria! Third world here we come!
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Old 06-10-2018, 10:47 AM
 
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I would happily support much higher payroll taxes
You are free to pay more than your federal income tax liability. They accept donations, at any time.

However, I, like most Americans, prefer even lower taxes than we have now, which are far lower than the EU tax rates.
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