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Old 06-11-2018, 07:52 AM
 
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This is a far bigger issue than Trump

It never fixes it but indeed always does make it worse.
Of course it's bigger then Trump. But he is promoting "Making America Great Again". Yet his tactics are very likely promoting this move from a US dollar dominance.

If this happens to pick up steam and aspects happen on Trump's watch? He certainly failed by his push to shun allies and liking leaders with most power as he wants. They see a opportunity to get our Allies in disarray by Trump's lack of leading them to NOT fight this Russia-China possible double-cross.

Trump is himself weakening those most likely to fight for the US dollar like our Allies ..... because they do not luv him enough. It reasons eventually it might come. But give the opportunity to undercut Trump and weakened united Allies ...... it has been a doomsday clock moved a bit closer with this more possible on Trump's watch.
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Old 06-11-2018, 08:09 AM
 
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If the petro-dollar seizes to exist, it would be a devastating blow to US economy.
It will cease to exist at some point and we will not be prepared for it.
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Old 06-11-2018, 08:11 AM
 
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Of course it's bigger then Trump. But he is promoting "Making America Great Again". Yet his tactics are very likely promoting this move from a US dollar dominance.

If this happens to pick up steam and aspects happen on Trump's watch? He certainly failed by his push to shun allies and liking leaders with most power as he wants. They see a opportunity to get our Allies in disarray by Trump's lack of leading them to NOT fight this Russia-China possible double-cross.

Trump is himself weakening those most likely to fight for the US dollar like our Allies ..... because they do not luv him enough. It reasons eventually it might come. But give the opportunity to undercut Trump and weakened united Allies ...... it has been a doomsday clock moved a bit closer with this more possible on Trump's watch.
It's moved closer but it has been for a long time.
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Old 06-11-2018, 08:40 AM
 
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It will cease to exist at some point and we will not be prepared for it.
Some oil countries have already stopped selling in USD, and some others might follow suit, and it would reduce demand for USD.
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Old 06-11-2018, 08:49 AM
 
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Some oil countries have already stopped selling in USD, and some others might follow suit, and it would reduce demand for USD.
It's what the entire war has been about.
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Old 06-11-2018, 08:53 AM
 
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It's what the entire war has been about.
Iraq started selling in Euros, and see what happened to them.
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Old 06-11-2018, 09:52 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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Some questions for those who know more about this than me.

Sanctions imposed on Russia have forced Russia to turn to the East. Is this a good thing?

If this trend continues (the dollar being dropped in favor of other currencies) can it hurt the US and if so, how?

What can we expect in the future? A more self sufficient USA? A debilitated America?
The Bretton Woods Agreement is what created it.

The US agreed to back the US Dollar with gold at the fixed rate of $35/ounce, and in exchange, the foreign States that signed the agreement had to peg their currencies to the US Dollar, and not allowed to deviate from that rate by more than 1%.

In order for foreign States to keep their currencies pegged to the US Dollar within that 1% range, they had to buy and sell US Dollars. In the post-WW II Era, the currencies of many foreign States fluctuated wildly, so they ended up holding massive amounts of US Dollars.

At the same time, the BIS (Bank of International Settlements), which was originally used to manage WW I war reparations, now became a clearing-house to settle international trade accounts, managed by the US and UK. The BIS, basically the US and UK, then decided which currencies would be accepted for use in international trade transactions. Members of the Communist Bloc States were not allowed to be members on the board, and their currencies were blocked from being traded on the international market.

That set the stage for the US Dollar to be the most commonly used currency in trade. Even today, when Canada sells oil to China, the transaction isn't conducted with Canadian Dollars or Chinese Yuan, rather it uses US Dollars.

In the late 1960s, there was more or less a general panic internationally, and foreign States started demanding payment by the US in gold. That depleted the gold reserves of the US, which in reality never had enough gold to back its currency, and caused Nixon to abrogate the Bretton Woods Agreement.

In spite of that, foreign States continued to conduct international trade using US Dollars, largely due to political pressure from the US.

As of last year, according to BIS, about 87% of all international trade is conducted in US Dollars, and about 60% of all currency reserves are US Dollars. The Federal Reserve stopped publishing the data about 15 years ago during the Bush Administration, but foreign holdings of US Dollars as a currency reserve are estimated to be between $6.5 TRILLION to $7 TRILLION.

In addition to that, many foreign States hold US debt in the form of US treasury securities.

US federal debt is $21.1 TRILLION, but only $15.4 TRILLION is public debt. About 40% ($6.2 TRILLION) of public debt is held by foreign States. Note that over the next 10 years, public debt will increase by $3 TRILLION as the OASI Trust Fund, which is intragovernmental debt, not public debt, is liquidated.

Some problems can arise, if the value of the US Dollar is weak against other major currencies.

These problems are generally characterized as "Opportunity Costs." A foreign Central Bank's holdings lose value, unless they switch to a stronger currency, and in the case of holding US treasury securities, foreign investors can lose money, unless the US compensates with higher interest rates.

Higher interest rates for US treasury securities have a negative impact, since it costs tax-payers more, depletes the General Revenue Fund faster, and results in higher public debt, which increases the overall federal debt.

Effectively, every 1% decrease in US currency reserve holdings results in a corresponding 1.5% increase in Inflation, so if holdings suddenly dropped 50%, then Inflation would rise 75%. That would also be more or less true for international trade transactions. If other foreign States started conducting trade in Euros or basket currencies, it has a negative impact economically on the US.

It's unlikely that a 50% decrease would suddenly happen. That might only happen if foreign States protested some military action by the US, but even then, the issue is what currency would those States use to replace their US Dollars reserves? The Euro is currently the only real alternative.

China, Japan and South Korea have been studying a unified Asian currency. They're still running simulations and modeling to determine its effects. They will not rush to introduce it, and they won't introduce it until they're certain it will produce the results they desire. Asians have a fear of looking bad and "loosing face."

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It will cease to exist at some point and we will not be prepared for it.
I think they'll be prepared. It will not be pretty for Americans.
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Old 06-11-2018, 10:29 PM
 
Location: Canada
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Of course it's bigger then Trump. But he is promoting "Making America Great Again". Yet his tactics are very likely promoting this move from a US dollar dominance.

If this happens to pick up steam and aspects happen on Trump's watch? He certainly failed by his push to shun allies and liking leaders with most power as he wants. They see a opportunity to get our Allies in disarray by Trump's lack of leading them to NOT fight this Russia-China possible double-cross.

Trump is himself weakening those most likely to fight for the US dollar like our Allies ..... because they do not luv him enough. It reasons eventually it might come. But give the opportunity to undercut Trump and weakened united Allies ...... it has been a doomsday clock moved a bit closer with this more possible on Trump's watch.
It will come down to is US$ actually WORTH what it's commanding? Trump's has done more in the past year and half to devalue "America's Place" in the Globalviews.... Meanwhile past lower level Economical Countries are swooping into Global World Economies to fill in the VOID DJT is creating. DJT latest alienating of his closest Ally's exposes what he is willing to do... yet embrace/Dictatorships/Human Rights OFFENDERS and goes further.. Supports Russia who intervened with US Eletcionsamongmany other Countries!!

Bottomline is Any Country that's suppose to be democratic values YET,have a LEADER who demonstrates daily chaos/Lies about FACTS/Spreads mis-information/acts like a BULLY will somehow MAKE US more powerful/Respected begs to question many who post here onC-D.
Meanwhile.. what should be obvious is that theMARKETis reacting so different... when he does so many bizarre things..WHY?? Becausehe very often changes his opinion.. alters reality and just plain doesn't consider is NOW ignored by Markets..

My biggest concern is that DJT is inching forward of alienating almost all Allies and in the end..ALL will be brought down ( all because of suggested US Leaderships).

Believe me... Allies will survive... YES suffer//But survive.. But until Political Leadership steps up for American Citizens They will become no different than any other Country who survives only by the RICH telling everybody else where they belong!! You know USA Constitution will no longer EXIST... SCOTUS will no longer have a say in Rule of LAW.. Judges will no longer have a place in Society etc etc..Longlonghistory how Countries under dictatorships work!!

I realizeIwent off track somewhat.. however this is the path that's totally possible given to escalation of Party (GOP) NOT using their powers to push back on their POTUS who is leading a once powerful NATION into an ABYSS of Irrelevancy..Maybe USA should Not have Nuclear Ability under
DJT?? I wouldn't trust this guy with my pet puppy..let alone Nuclear BUTTON!!
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Old 06-11-2018, 10:54 PM
 
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It will come down to is US$ actually WORTH what it's commanding? Trump's has done more in the past year and half to devalue "America's Place" in the Globalviews.... Meanwhile past lower level Economical Countries are swooping into Global World Economies to fill in the VOID DJT is creating. DJT latest alienating of his closest Ally's exposes what he is willing to do... yet embrace/Dictatorships/Human Rights OFFENDERS and goes further.. Supports Russia who intervened with US Eletcionsamongmany other Countries!!

Bottomline is Any Country that's suppose to be democratic values YET,have a LEADER who demonstrates daily chaos/Lies about FACTS/Spreads mis-information/acts like a BULLY will somehow MAKE US more powerful/Respected begs to question many who post here onC-D.
Meanwhile.. what should be obvious is that theMARKETis reacting so different... when he does so many bizarre things..WHY?? Becausehe very often changes his opinion.. alters reality and just plain doesn't consider is NOW ignored by Markets..

My biggest concern is that DJT is inching forward of alienating almost all Allies and in the end..ALL will be brought down ( all because of suggested US Leaderships).

Believe me... Allies will survive... YES suffer//But survive.. But until Political Leadership steps up for American Citizens They will become no different than any other Country who survives only by the RICH telling everybody else where they belong!! You know USA Constitution will no longer EXIST... SCOTUS will no longer have a say in Rule of LAW.. Judges will no longer have a place in Society etc etc..Longlonghistory how Countries under dictatorships work!!

I realizeIwent off track somewhat.. however this is the path that's totally possible given to escalation of Party (GOP) NOT using their powers to push back on their POTUS who is leading a once powerful NATION into an ABYSS of Irrelevancy..Maybe USA should Not have Nuclear Ability under
DJT?? I wouldn't trust this guy with my pet puppy..let alone Nuclear BUTTON!!
I would argue the US should not have ANY nuclear weapons, under any president, as we are the ONLY country that has EVER used them in a time of war, against another country...and we even did it twice!!

We really have no room to judge any other nation on this! I guarantee if Hitler had used them, that would be used against Germany to this day

Plus, look at the punishment placed on Japan for Pearl Harbor, they were not allowed to have a standing army for decades?!!! What punishment did the US get for nuking civilians TWICE, in war? !!!! Maybe the US deserves to be an insignificant nation on the global stage today.
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Old 06-11-2018, 11:04 PM
 
Location: Earth
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I do wonder if china will replace the US has world leader.


They are a dictatorship. Will the europeans speak chinese instead of english?


No one really watches chinese cinema and listens to chinese music outside of china except disporia.


Chinese still try to leave china. They stash their money overseas and having buying real estate.


DJT may be a fluke or the last spurt of 1950s generation america. He is, however, giving all world war 2 gains to china.


china plans for 1000 years. I think they will annex the russian far east first.
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