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Old 06-11-2018, 02:34 AM
 
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So American farmers are making too much milk. So much milk that the price is depressed and they are having to dump millions of gallons of it.

Got Too Much Milk? Dairy Dumping Highlights Production Bottlenecks, Northeast Surplus | Connecticut Public Radio

Canada takes a different approach when it comes to milk production. They have very strict rules with small farms averaging about 80 cows, they are not allowed to overproduce and imports are reduced to about 10%. As a result, the price of milk stays supportable and the Canadian government does not need to subsidize their farmers.

"Supply management enjoys strong government support in no small part because the policy obviates the need to subsidize farmers directly in the manner of the US and the EU – the two greatest culprits behind the current world dairy glut.

“The system works so incredibly well,” said Bruce Muirhead, associate vice-president and professor of history at the University of Waterloo. “And the big thing about supply management is that it doesn’t cost the government a cent. Consumers pay the full cost of production.”


The speculation is Canada would sooner end the treaty all together than to sacrifice the supply management they have today that works for them.

So Trump supporters might say "See, Trump is right!". Except U.S. restricts dairy imports down to 3%, so Canadian dairy farmers see Trump and the U.S. as filled with hypocrisy. Talking to farmers in Wisconsin, they don't blame Canada, they would prefer Canada's system. They say dairy deregulation has resulted in what they are experiencing now.

Why Canadian milk infuriates Donald Trump
https://www.theguardian.com/world/co...a-us-trade-war
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Old 06-11-2018, 03:09 AM
 
Location: Maine
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Canada produces too much steel and aluminum, so the US is imposing tariffs to maintain a stable market...
Protectionism is protectionism no matter what label you slap on it. If Canada wants open access to our markets there going to have to provide the same to us.

RR
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Old 06-11-2018, 03:15 AM
 
Location: Phoenix
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So American farmers are making too much milk. So much milk that the price is depressed and they are having to dump millions of gallons of it.

Got Too Much Milk? Dairy Dumping Highlights Production Bottlenecks, Northeast Surplus | Connecticut Public Radio

Canada takes a different approach when it comes to milk production. They have very strict rules with small farms averaging about 80 cows, they are not allowed to overproduce and imports are reduced to about 10%. As a result, the price of milk stays supportable and the Canadian government does not need to subsidize their farmers.

"Supply management enjoys strong government support in no small part because the policy obviates the need to subsidize farmers directly in the manner of the US and the EU – the two greatest culprits behind the current world dairy glut.

“The system works so incredibly well,” said Bruce Muirhead, associate vice-president and professor of history at the University of Waterloo. “And the big thing about supply management is that it doesn’t cost the government a cent. Consumers pay the full cost of production.”

The speculation is Canada would sooner end the treaty all together than to sacrifice the supply management they have today that works for them.

So Trump supporters might say "See, Trump is right!". Except U.S. restricts dairy imports down to 3%, so Canadian dairy farmers see Trump and the U.S. as filled with hypocrisy. Talking to farmers in Wisconsin, they don't blame Canada, they would prefer Canada's system. They say dairy deregulation has resulted in what they are experiencing now.

Why Canadian milk infuriates Donald Trump
https://www.theguardian.com/world/co...a-us-trade-war

With a 270% tariff on US dairy, I guess the Canadian farmers do think they have a good deal going. How about a 270% tariff on autos assembled in Canada coming into the US...fair?
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Old 06-11-2018, 03:36 AM
 
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I trust Canada. I would not consume U.S. milk unless there were no alternatives.
I would not consume dairy period knowing what’s actually in milk (produced anywhere).
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Old 06-11-2018, 03:46 AM
 
Location: Phoenix
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I would not consume dairy period knowing what’s actually in milk (produced anywhere).
Me either except I would consume milk that's verified to have only casein A2 and not A1 protein. I'm try8ing to switch to goat milk myself.
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Old 06-11-2018, 04:08 AM
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Location: Great Britain
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Sadly it's US Farmers that could be left to pay the price in this potential trade war.

American farmers worry they'll pay the price of Trump's trade war -The Guardian

Trade war backfire: Steel tariff shrapnel hits U.S. farmers | Reuters
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Old 06-11-2018, 04:11 AM
 
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There is no great debate. Just another made up issue to distract from the real ones.
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Old 06-11-2018, 04:18 AM
 
Location: Central Mexico and Central Florida
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trump's tariffs will cause a lot of pain to US dairy farmers. Many Wisconsin cheeseheads may regret their votes for him.
https://www.dairyherd.com/article/me...y-export-sales
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This week Mexico announced tariffs on U.S. cheeses which could have a devastating impact on U.S. dairy exports.

Mexico accounts for 28% of all U.S. cheese exports, making it the No. 1 export market for U.S. cheese, according to the U.S. Dairy Export Council (USDEC). The Mexican initiated the tariffs in retaliation for the tariffs President Trump placed on steel and aluminum imported from Canada, the EU and Mexico.

“Tariffs on cheese will potentially eliminate the competitive advantage we have in our No. 1 market,” said USDEC president and CEO Tom Vilsack. “That is a legitimate concern.”
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Old 06-11-2018, 04:25 AM
 
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Strange:

American farmers benefit from farm subsidies and supports while looking down their noses at welfare "moochers."

American farmers benefit from undocumented farm laborers while being outraged over "illegals."

American farmers support Trump and are now likely to pay the price for his trade war.
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Old 06-11-2018, 05:57 AM
 
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Canada produces too much steel and aluminum, so the US is imposing tariffs to maintain a stable market...
Protectionism is protectionism no matter what label you slap on it. If Canada wants open access to our markets there going to have to provide the same to us.

RR
and why shouldnt US companies benefit from that?
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