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If what you say is true...
Because I'm trying to understand the logic here...
If what you say is true, why oppose the 2nd? The 2nd isn't for conservatives only. It's a civil liberty for all same as free speech, voting, and any other civil liberty.
For the life of me, I can not understand the logic of, oppose the 2nd Amendment and the natural right to self defense and preservation.
Add in. Trump is literally Hitler or literally Stalin, so no better time to disarm than when a dictator is in office, leaving the state, it's agents, police, and the military to be the only ones armed... the same police you've demonized as a whole for the actions of few, and equated all police to be racist and trigger happy...
If the premise is true, you're literally making it that much easier for so called RWNJs in this fantasy of yours to overwhelm and over take you... Hitler and Stalin both would love a populace with this mentality...
I call on cuebald and other firearm owning liberals to help explain this to where it makes sense... because for the life of me it does not make one bit of sense what so ever... it's like voluntary masochism...
Folks both left and right... there won't be a civil war as you claim...
The moment something like that were to pop off, it would be national Guard and Marine Expeditionary forces restoring order... what the federal government and the military who's job is to thwart all threats foreign and domestic would just stand down and allow a Bubba army of neck beards to just go around slaughtering others?
Do you have any idea how stupid this sounds?
I have been a strong supporter of 2A for over 60 years. The definition of "arms" has changed dramatically in the last 240 years. 2A needs to be upgraded to reflect the realities of today's world.
BTW - there are a LOT of "Liberal gun haters" who are armed to the teeth. Nobody wants to do away with guns except for a tiny fringe element. You can't put a fine point on something if you paint with a broad brush.
No, there will not be a civil war, at least one that looks anything like the Late Unpleasantess, unless one side attempts to split the nation again.
"High crimes and misdemeanors" are not defined. They can be whatever the House decides they are.
As a practical matter, yes. And as a practical matter, their opinion isn't worth more than the opinion of the President or the Supreme Court. A vote to convict on articles of impeachment does not automatically remove the President.
The Mueller investigation is still in progress. Republicans gave Ken Starr six years and multiple millions of dollars to investigate Clinton and never charged him anything to do with Whitewater. Sorry, but Republicans complaining about Mueller's investigation after only one year? Laughable. I'll wait for Mueller to complete the investigation. He's already issued several indictments and there's likely many more to come. This investigation is actually very important in spite of Trump supporter's willingness to forgive Trump anything.
I do not think Trump will be impeached no matter what. But I do want the Mueller investigation to be thoroughly done and completed. I would even agree to not impeach Trump (easy because I don't think Republicans will do it anyway) as long as we fully complete the Mueller investigation and find out everything that happened. I do not want Putin to think a solid misinformation campaign will work in electing a candidate and stopping any discovery of it.
the difference though is that the whitewater investigation had evidence constantly coming out indicating that there was something going on, but the media was covering for the clintons. that is not the case here with trump.
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Originally Posted by cuebald
Not even. Here is the link to Glenn Simpson's testimony before the Senate Judiciary Committee, where he covers the dossier in some detail. Hillary came on board way after the fact, and Steele had already independently contacted the FBI. The FBI agreed tho listen to him because they already had a file open with information from a different source that Trump may be a candidate for blackmail by Putin.
Mueller, BTW, has found quite a lot, and just requested 75 sets of subpoenas to issue for Manafort to appear in court July 25th. In the meantime, Cohen's lawyers have abandoned him. Ask Paul and George and Carter and the gang whether or not this is a nothingburger of a witch hunt. I'll bet they have their own ideas.
If what you say is true...
Because I'm trying to understand the logic here...
If what you say is true, why oppose the 2nd? The 2nd isn't for conservatives only. It's a civil liberty for all same as free speech, voting, and any other civil liberty.
For the life of me, I can not understand the logic of, oppose the 2nd Amendment and the natural right to self defense and preservation.
Add in. Trump is literally Hitler or literally Stalin, so no better time to disarm than when a dictator is in office, leaving the state, it's agents, police, and the military to be the only ones armed... the same police you've demonized as a whole for the actions of few, and equated all police to be racist and trigger happy...
If the premise is true, you're literally making it that much easier for so called RWNJs in this fantasy of yours to overwhelm and over take you... Hitler and Stalin both would love a populace with this mentality...
I call on cuebald and other firearm owning liberals to help explain this to where it makes sense... because for the life of me it does not make one bit of sense what so ever... it's like voluntary masochism...
Folks both left and right... there won't be a civil war as you claim...
The moment something like that were to pop off, it would be national Guard and Marine Expeditionary forces restoring order... what the federal government and the military who's job is to thwart all threats foreign and domestic would just stand down and allow a Bubba army of neck beards to just go around slaughtering others?
Do you have any idea how stupid this sounds?
Where'd you get all this HOGWASH?
I've never stated anything about all cops are racists or anything remotely close to it!
While it's evident that some scumbag cops are racists and make it their daily business to terrorize minorities ( blacks in particular), most LEO's are quite honorable and deserve the utmost of respect.
The 2nd Amendment combined with the NRA and the bribe-taking GOP led congress has done much to utterly destroy the safety and security of our nation.
If Mueller and the Congress can both efficiently do their jobs, then perhaps any major civil unrest can be avoided....
Otherwise, if we're to confront an electronic grid freeze and the Trump-Putin endorsed Alt-Right loonies are allowed to unleash massive attack drones, then it's a done deal!
Please. No one is above the law. And, more people disapprove of Trump than support him. The one thing that could protect him, if the investigation proved wrong doing, is the realization of having Pence become president. The majority of Democrats and many moderate Republicans view Pence as a greater threat than the current clown in office.
I agree no-one is above the law, but why make it political and worry about the domino effect when it is all about what the POTUS has done? If anyone in my state or district votes no on the impeachment based on political reasons if damning evidence comes forth, they don't deserve to be in office. Plain and simple.
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Originally Posted by cuebald
If this is a nation of laws, then the law needs to be followed. If Trump is found guilty of crimes worthy of impeachment, he should be impeached, and forcibly removed to face trial if he refuses to go. Unless, of course, we want to trade Democracy and representative government in for a totalitarian form if government with a dictator, like Venezuela or Russia or North Korea.
Exactly, if there is proof Trump paid off the women or had direct ties to Russia or allowed pay-for-play with Russia, then we have reason to impeach. And then the Senate can decide how damning it really is.
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Originally Posted by Cape Cod Todd
"I actually think this is the real reason we haven't seen an impeachment yet."
ahhh the real reason we haven't seen an impeachment yet is because there is no crime!
Most of us realize that the Mueller investigation is a witch hunt looking for a crime and stitching together shoddy evidence to keep the investigation going.
My concern is that the Dems will win a majority in 2018 and then they will double down on the "impeach 45" mantra and then nothing will get done as they block Trump on everything he proposes.
They want Trump to fail, heck Bill Maher is hoping for another recession to turn the public against Trump.
There won't be a Civil War but the negativity against Trump will get louder and louder. What is wrong with the Dems? How can they be so bitter to the point of insanity? and they want us to put them back in charge of the country?
For the Democrat party to impeach Trump without a smoking gun or hindering prosecution and obstructing justice by firing Mueller, it is a Clinton gambit to impeach. Remember, Republicans lost the short game and long game on that one.
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Originally Posted by Chicano3000X
Civil war over a reality show star. This is truly the dumbest timeline..
I guess this is the new normal.
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Originally Posted by drinkthekoolaid
It's the far left and deep state continuously trying to undermine a duly elected president and the will of the people.
There are many patriots in this country who would not just accept trump being impeached over a fraud
This sham russian investigation is a made up political witch hunt. It started under Obama's watch and Obama is guilty in it as well. There never was a crime. It's a political attack orchestrated by the left and the deep state. They are trying to obstruct and save the framework of socialist tyranny that Obama constructed.
If the deep state was really real, why would Trump be in power and alive today? Both Kennedys was shot for much less of a reason than Trump could if the deep state was real. Trump would have been assassinated the day after the election.
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Originally Posted by carterstamp
It takes 2/3 of the Senate to approve the articles of impeachment and remove a President from office.
Not going to happen.
On a straight vote, no. If there is damning proof, why wouldn't he? Anyone protecting him if he gets resealed to the public, would likely get voted out when their Senate term was up.
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Originally Posted by Camaro5
No, you can't possibly be serious. The President is trying to achieve peace in Asia by denuclearizing North Korea, and you're talking about civil war?
We have a booming economy and more prosperity that we've had in years and you want a revolution because you think Donald Trump is a meanie.
That's hilarious.
The law is most important than policy. IF Trump broke laws, then it don't matter what his political track record is. Look at Nixon. I don't get why people don't realize this.
If the Occupy Wall Street protest fizzled out, wasn't extended, a civil war???????????????????????
This is not Latin America. The Brazilians almost brought the Brazilian government down to its knees over something so simple as raising bus fares! Widespread rioting all over the country!
The real danger of impeachment is having our first Robot as President: Mike Pence! Keep some WD40 around so he doesn't squeak while he walks!
the difference though is that the whitewater investigation had evidence constantly coming out indicating that there was something going on, but the media was covering for the clintons. that is not the case here with trump.
except that the clinton campaign financed fusion gps and their efforts.
The Clinton camp hired GPS after the republicans got the investigatory ball rolling and abandoned the project when Trump was nominated. She had nothing to do with Steele's information being given to the FBI.
The law is most important than policy. IF Trump broke laws, then it don't matter what his political track record is. Look at Nixon. I don't get why people don't realize this.
Because to admit he broke the law would mean admitting that they elected a criminal. Trump would never admit he was wrong, and neither will his cult, regardless of the evidence presented.
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