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Pro-abortion. Don't use manipulative language to absolve yourself of any moral implications behind what you support. I am pro abortion myself, I'm just honest about it. I think abortion is a necessary evil. It's not "pro-choice" and certainly not "anti-forced birth"...those are terms that weasels and cowards use, especially the latter one.
Men have responsibilities in these situations but that does not absolve the women of their own responsibilities, unless they were raped.
Not pro-abortion. PRO-WOMEN. Women are responsible, intelligent and moral. They have the right to consider the impact an unwanted pregnancy and child will have on themselves, their partners and their families.
Some pro abortion people use the terms fetus and zygote like lynch mobs used to use the "n" word. Dehumanizes those who they are about to kill. They so passionately support their legal ability to kill their unborn in the womb but they will never admit that that is what they're doing. Almost as if they know it is morally questionable, even if it is sometimes necessary.
Well, no. I didn't want to have a baby, so I terminated a fetus when I found myself pregnant. It's pretty simple when you've taken middle school science, actually.
I didn't kill a baby any more than I killed a teenager or an adult woman/man.
I call it what it is when someone is attempting to force women to give birth against their will. Pro-forced-birther is certainly an accurate term for it, as that is exactly what they are attempting to do, is it not?
That's a twisted and cowardly way to look at it.
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And if a woman decides she can't or doesn't want to have a child, choosing not to is the responsible thing.
If she can't then it is a necessary evil, if she just doesn't want then she is a woman of low character who would kill her unborn children on a whim. Either way, I support her legal right to do it.
Well, no. I didn't want to have a baby, so I terminated a fetus when I found myself pregnant. It's pretty simple when you've taken middle school science, actually.
I didn't kill a baby any more than I killed a teenager or an adult woman/man.
Fetus is a stage of human development just as infant, baby, child and teenager are. Calling it a fetus doesn't mean you didn't kill a person it just means you killed one at an early stage of development. And I think it should be legal for you to do so.
Did these men ever talk to their lovers about the possibility of her becoming pregnant if they had sex? Were they using condoms when they had sex (Mr. father of five but only raised three didn't learn from the first abortion?). Were they willing to abstain from sex until they were married or in a long term relationship before having sex which might lead to the creation of a child?
Fetus is a stage of human development just as infant, baby, child and teenager are. Calling it a fetus doesn't mean you didn't kill a person it just means you killed one at an early stage of development. And I think it should be legal for you to do so.
Good. But if you also wish I felt really bad about it, you're outta luck....
Fetus is a stage of human development just as infant, baby, child and teenager are. Calling it a fetus doesn't mean you didn't kill a person it just means you killed one at an early stage of development. And I think it should be legal for you to do so.
I agree. Attempting to force women to carry a pregnancy to term and give birth is twisted and cowardly. But that's exactly what these pro-forced-birthers want to do.
Imagine if someone were forcing you to do something with your body that you didn't want to do; something that was going to take almost a year of your life, and that was painful and dangerous. And they're telling you, sorry, Uncle Bully, we don't care if you want to do that with your body or not. We are telling you you have no choice.
I imagine you wouldn't think too kindly of the people who were forcing you to do that against your will, would you, Uncle Bully?
If they don't like being called forced-pro-birthers then they shouldn't be attempting to force women to give birth against their will.
It's really pretty simple.
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If she can't then it is a necessary evil, if she just doesn't want then she is a woman of low character who would kill her unborn children on a whim. Either way, I support her legal right to do it.
"On a whim?" You have no clue what any woman goes through when making that decision. None whatsoever. You are a man sitting on judgment of women whose shoes you will never walk in.
There are less moral implications the earlier in the process you are, but it is still a person. Some people need to die though. No different than giving the state the authority to utilize the death penalty, or go to war. Sure unborn children are innocents, but in the early stages of development they are so unaware that it mitigates the innocence factor somewhat.
In a society with a redistributive economy, abortion is necessary regardless of if it is moral. Unwanted children become the economic burden of the entire society, not just the parents. We pay to keep our indigent alive and that gives us some leeway on who we allow to reach a legal status that makes those subsidies their legal right. We grant that legal status at birth, so we get to restrict who gets to be born.
I think abortion should be encouraged and subsidized in the first trimester, discouraged and expensive in the second trimester, and heavily restricted in the third trimester. Day after pills should be sold over the counter and be inexpensive. I think this reflects well the increasing moral implications behind the increased development of the unborn child, while still upholding our right to kill our unborn.
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