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No whites don't get cheated both ways. Affirmative Action in elite universities end up with more whites than expected by a large margin. Whites can't be being held back if they have lower scores than Asians. Hence if you look at a school like UC Berkeley where affirmative action doesn't exist you'll quickly see while the Hispanic and black population decrease, the white one decreases substantially also. Hence even the article states most of the Asian spots are being taken up by white Americans. In ivies where Hispanics and blacks are already small populations compared to the U.S student population the white population is what gets reduced in sheer numbers when AA is removed, although a higher percentage of Hispanic and Black students maybe cut.
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Originally Posted by Bettafish
Actually I understand racial balance and support
artificial diversity to some extent.
But Jewish students are 26% of Harvard population, way overrepresented than "Asians".
Why not do something about it?
Almost a third of Asians nationwide live in Cali, most in the Bay area. The Berkeley numbers are a complete canard, and don't even hold up through the rest of the state.
Look at even the racial breakdown of nearby UC Davis, and you will see that the Berkeley numbers do not hold up:
what Harvard is doing is institutional racism. excluding Asian students with objective superior test scores and extracurricular activities and downgrading them on subjective assessments of 'personality' is about as racist as it gets. Harvard did the same thing to Jewish students in the 1920s.
Why don't they just black out the names and races of the kids applying? You're really not doing anyone any good placing a kid in a school that they can not compete at. They will just feel ostracized, lash out and/or drop out. Every kid should go to a school that teaches at their own pace.
And do a blind interviews to stop the institution's representatives from assuming a race. Won't help, the essay writer will just game the system when writing her background. Now some have already won by trying to suggest an African or Native American ancestor that no DNA test could pick up. But as long as so called race is the second most important "diversity" criteria after the ability to lead a team to a sports championship there is no getting around suppressing the numbers of one ethnic group in order to boost the numbers of another if an institution has that goal.
It is a fact that certain races/ethnic groups get admitted based on quotas based on their percentage of the population. If that is the rule for them, it should be the rule for whites as well.
And it is a fact that one particular race (East Asians) gets more of the slots than its proportion of the population would justify but complains that they don't get as many spots as they would if admissions were based solely on academic credentials. They're right about that, but the same thing is true for whites as well.
Whites get cheated both ways. I point this out -- I object to blatant racism -- and your response is that objecting to racism "has to be the most racist thing I have heard". Sorry, but you're the champion in that competition.
What? How much more racist can you be?
Could you please apply your racist logic to the NBA players?
Harvard is a private university and has its own admission criteria.
They want a representative enrollment and student body. Including geographical. An applicant from a small mid-west or southern town might have a better chance of admission than those from large cities. Assuming that the accepted applicant has a SAT score of 2100+ or so and meets other selection criteria.
I've read that they could (if they wanted) have an entire first year class, all having perfect scores on the SAT. But thats not all that they are looking for. Obviously.
Though Harvard is a private university, it gets $ hundreds of millions $ in federal funds and is subject to the federal civil rights act. Whether Harvard uses race and ethnicity as a factor for admissions isn't in dispute. The extent to which their criteria and the process they use is what the plaintiffs claim violate the CRA.
If any college admissions are here, I'd like to know what they use to rank applicants on factors such as helpfulness, courage, kindness, is a good person, and other personality/character traits.
what Harvard is doing is institutional racism. excluding Asian students with objective superior test scores and extracurricular activities and downgrading them on subjective assessments of 'personality' is about as racist as it gets. Harvard did the same thing to Jewish students in the 1920s.
this must stop. affirmative action is despicable.
The "affirmative action" is for the whites. Many can't compete with the Asians.
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