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Old 06-16-2018, 12:27 PM
 
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There's really only one answer to these question: Canada, not the USA, decides what happens in Canada. The same is true of all countries, including China. Trump's approach to trade is to attempt to bully other countries into doing what he wants. Although this tactic works with "his people", it doesn't work with other people.
No. Not really.

Fascinating the way the retaliatory tariffs appear to be targeting certain areas.
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Old 06-16-2018, 12:39 PM
 
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There's really only one answer to these question: Canada, not the USA, decides what happens in Canada. The same is true of all countries, including China. Trump's approach to trade is to attempt to bully other countries into doing what he wants. Although this tactic works with "his people", it doesn't work with other people.
Well again I would have left Canada out of it tactically speaking.
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Old 06-16-2018, 01:01 PM
 
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No. Not really.

Fascinating the way the retaliatory tariffs appear to be targeting certain areas.
War requires strategy, and China is very strategically retaliating where Trump's "people" will sit up straight.
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Old 06-16-2018, 01:04 PM
 
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Well again I would have left Canada out of it tactically speaking.
Tactically speaking, it is the tariff war on Canada that gave strength to a retaliatory tariff response from Mexico and the EU. This tariff war started at the G7 meeting where all G7 leaders could see for themselves that the USA is attempting to control the Canadian economy.
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Old 06-17-2018, 07:26 AM
 
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Tactically speaking, it is the tariff war on Canada that gave strength to a retaliatory tariff response from Mexico and the EU. This tariff war started at the G7 meeting where all G7 leaders could see for themselves that the USA is attempting to control the Canadian economy.

And all those countries use VAT.
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Old 06-17-2018, 10:50 AM
 
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The big mistake in all of this is he did not rally U.S. allies to have common tariffs against China. He is leaving potential outlets for China. Instead he pissed off our allies. Seems an odd way to attack China in a tariff war.
Right? Now India is implementing their tariffs on us. It seems kinda insane to me that instead of trade war with China, we started a trade war with over 32 countries.
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Old 06-17-2018, 10:55 AM
 
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Right? Now India is implementing their tariffs on us. It seems kinda insane to me that instead of trade war with China, we started a trade war with over 32 countries.

Well, this is what you get when you ignore the proof evident from years of Trump's past behaviour and elect him anyway. What the heck did you folks think you were gonna get....????
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Old 06-17-2018, 11:02 AM
 
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Yes, the USA has started a trade war.

Let's take it from the top. The USA subsidizes farmers in the amount of $23 billion annually.
"The federal government spends more than $20 billion a year on subsidies for farm businesses.
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The Trump administration's budget for 2019 proposes to cut farm subsidies ..."
https://www.downsizinggovernment.org...ture/subsidies

Trump know that Canada charges 270% tariff on over-quota of dairy. This means that if the USA dumps its' over-supply of dairy in Canada, a tariff is charged. If the USA does not dump its surplus milk in Canada, there is no tariff.

The critical word here is "over-quota". To reiterate, there is no tariff on USA dairy products to Canada except on dairy that the USA wants to over-supply to Canada. As a result, the USA dumps the over-supply in the fields. The best solution is to produce less dairy, or find another market.

The problem is that Trump does not provide all the information to "his people". He whines about 270% tariff on dairy and omits the critical word" over-quota", riling up "his people", and giving "his people" false information about trade.

Why does he do this? If Trump can bully Canada into removing the "over-quota" tariff, the USA can dump its over supply in Canada, and the USA can fulfill the 2019 goal to reduce the $23 billion subsidy costs to farmers. That is, Trump wants to cut farm subsidies, and he thinks the solution is to sell the over-supply of milk to the Canadians rather than dump it in the field - problem solved, except that Canada does not want the over-supply of USA milk.

This made Trump really mad, so he slapped 25% tariffs on Canadian steel and 10% tariffs on Canadian aluminium. That is, because he could not force Canada to take the over-quota dairy supply without a tariff, he started a trade war by claiming that because Canada is a national security risk, he has the right to impose tariffs on metals.

Trump started the trade war because he thinks that it benefits "his people". Now his people will pay more for steel and aluminium, and the farmers are still dumping their over-quota of milk in the fields. Canada is retaliating with $16 billion in tariffs on Canada Day, July 1. The EU and Mexico are doing the same.
Cute attempt at turning a phrase, but people aren't dumb enough to fall for it. There is no "surplus" of milk from US producers, any more than any other product. All a matter of supply and demand. Our milk producers have as much "right" to sell their products in Canada as Canadian producers have to sell their timber or oil to the US. Yet past US presidents have done nothing to address the unequal, unfair trade practices that Canada utilizes to harm US producers and benefit theirs. Trump is the first US leader in decades to do as he says-putting America first, instead of globalism. Trump's tariffs are a tool, one of the few he has available, to level the playing field and try to get fair trade practices for American producers and workers. If Dems actually want to pretend that they support American workers, they would do well to support these policies. But heck, we all know the Democratic party abandoned working Americans two decades ago.
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Old 06-17-2018, 11:04 AM
 
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Right? Now India is implementing their tariffs on us. It seems kinda insane to me that instead of trade war with China, we started a trade war with over 32 countries.
If Trump were to work on ONLY leveling the playing field with China and working for American producers and workers ONLY against the Chinese government-the left wing nuts would use it as proof of Trump's "racism".
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Old 06-17-2018, 11:09 AM
 
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If Trump were to work on ONLY leveling the playing field with China and working for American producers and workers ONLY against the Chinese government-the left wing nuts would use it as proof of Trump's "racism".

Um, making up an argument and putting words in other people's mouth is just proof.... that you make things up.

Plus, it is not very accurate even for guessing what may happen.

Basically your saying Trump is ruining the world economy so no one says anything mean about him....
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