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Old 06-18-2018, 08:37 AM
 
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As per various news outlets, SCOTUS says they have no standing to rule on gerrymandering. Looks like the technique of making the country more partisan and divided will continue.
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Old 06-18-2018, 08:45 AM
 
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Cowards.
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Old 06-18-2018, 08:48 AM
 
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Good for them. They really don't have standing, and the more the court defers back to the will of the people via their elected representatives, the better.

The Constitution has exactly zero enumerated power mentioned for the drawing of the congressional districts in the several states. Because it has no enumerated power, the 10th Amendment applies. Because nobody is being treated unequally under the law via gerrymandering, the 14th isn't violated, and nobody has brought a case before the SCOTUS saying the 14th has. No citizen is being treated unequally under the law, it's just lines on a map deciding which district your vote belongs to.

This purest of examples of states' rights is why both parties have gerrymandered going back damn near to when the ink on the Constitution was still wet. To the victors go the spoils. You live in a sovereign state, and your state House and Senate are the people you need to be talking to, not the Supreme Court of the United States.
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Old 06-18-2018, 09:24 AM
 
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Good for them. They really don't have standing, and the more the court defers back to the will of the people via their elected representatives, the better.

The Constitution has exactly zero enumerated power mentioned for the drawing of the congressional districts in the several states. Because it has no enumerated power, the 10th Amendment applies. Because nobody is being treated unequally under the law via gerrymandering, the 14th isn't violated, and nobody has brought a case before the SCOTUS saying the 14th has. No citizen is being treated unequally under the law, it's just lines on a map deciding which district your vote belongs to.

This purest of examples of states' rights is why both parties have gerrymandered going back damn near to when the ink on the Constitution was still wet. To the victors go the spoils. You live in a sovereign state, and your state House and Senate are the people you need to be talking to, not the Supreme Court of the United States.
And thusly many of our elections mean as much as those in Russia.
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Old 06-18-2018, 09:51 AM
 
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And thusly many of our elections mean as much as those in Russia.
Maybe, but it still doesn't give the SCOTUS standing on the matter.
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Old 06-18-2018, 09:58 AM
 
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Glad to see THIS court is offing a nod to the very clear constitutional design that they don't have veto power over things the constitution doesn't spell out.
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Old 06-18-2018, 11:06 AM
 
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And thusly many of our elections mean as much as those in Russia.

Since Gerrymandering had been in use for over 200 years now, do you feel that way for all the elections influenced by it?

I abhor Gerrymandering, but I also don't like the bandwagon of driving to make something unconstitutional as soon as the other side gets better at exploiting a loophole than we have been.

Democrats gerrymander, 1803-1998, hey, no problem. GOP gets off their rear and plays the game better 2010- ....oh noes, must be unconstitutional!!!!!

If SCOTUS were to make Gerrymandering unconstitutional, maybe Republican should embrace the progressive mindset and demand compensation for all the years we were subject to the effects of Gerrymandering?
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Old 06-18-2018, 11:16 AM
 
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Good for them. They really don't have standing, and the more the court defers back to the will of the people via their elected representatives, the better.

The Constitution has exactly zero enumerated power mentioned for the drawing of the congressional districts in the several states. Because it has no enumerated power, the 10th Amendment applies. Because nobody is being treated unequally under the law via gerrymandering, the 14th isn't violated, and nobody has brought a case before the SCOTUS saying the 14th has. No citizen is being treated unequally under the law, it's just lines on a map deciding which district your vote belongs to.

This purest of examples of states' rights is why both parties have gerrymandered going back damn near to when the ink on the Constitution was still wet. To the victors go the spoils. You live in a sovereign state, and your state House and Senate are the people you need to be talking to, not the Supreme Court of the United States.
Bingo and a worthy contender for post of the week.

Liberals want the court to unilaterally legislate from the bench because they know much of their desired agenda will not be popular enough to pass.
In reality we as a nation are much better off having our 3rd branch of government do their job in the manner our Constitution calls for it to do.


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Old 06-18-2018, 11:17 AM
 
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As per various news outlets, SCOTUS says they have no standing to rule on gerrymandering. Looks like the technique of making the country more partisan and divided will continue.





Make a Constitutional Amendment and allow the federal government be all up in election business.


Right now, just like Rowe v. Wade. The federal Government has no authority to rule one way OR THE OTHER.
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Old 06-18-2018, 11:41 AM
 
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Let me be very clear. I support IL and MD districts no more than NC and TX. I belong to neither party tho the liberals here think Im pro Trump and the conservatives think Im a communist.

Under the current design. I would if I could mandate neutral redistricting.
1) Strict perimeter / area limits.
2) Bridging limits
3) Current congresscritter seat occupants residence forbidden from being a factor on where lines are drawn. If they have to fight it out: Too bad so sad.
4) Neutral Computer drawn. Program code known by all and replicable results.

Note the GOP has a natural statistical gerrymander due to their dispersed nature and NOTHING should be done about it.

Personally I would change to in multi seat districts along with instant runoff. NEITHER party represents anything but their respective fringes. Im rather tired of being told to choose between a Social Darwinist and an enabler of the crazy -lazy.
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