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Old 06-19-2018, 09:16 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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Well, I'd say the problem with that idea is if it wasn't Walmart, it would be some other big corporation employing these people or lot of smaller ones. Walmart exists because they sell us a bunch of crap. If they just disappeared, then they'd simply be replaced by other businesses that would sell us crap. And that's where the current Walmart employees would work. Also, I don't think most employees who work for Walmart actually make minimum wage. I know a few and the lowest payed one makes $11/hour. And this is in North Carolina, where minimum wage is $7.25. I also know 2 guys who work for Walmart in their local distribution center. They both started at $16.30/hr plus benefits.
Walmart pays 34% more than Federal Minimum Wage for unskilled entry level positions.

Businesses that pay Minimum Wage tend to be small businesses and low skilled documented workers often compete with undocumented workers.
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Old 06-19-2018, 09:17 AM
 
Location: My House
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Food stamp use exploded under Obama..i mean look at this chart!



When did Obummer get into office? 2008? Food stamp use JUMPED BY 10 MILLION by 2009!!! Hope and change huh?
This was also during a major recession.

But, why discuss this factually?
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Old 06-19-2018, 09:17 AM
 
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Walmart pays 34% more than Federal Minimum Wage for unskilled entry level jobs.

That it May not be enough to support a family is not Walmart’s problem, is it?
Nope, never said it was. I'm in favor of Walmart paying people a wage that reflects the value of the services or labor they provide, be it $1.00/hour or $15.00/hr. Its up to Walmart to determine what they are willing to pay for a service, and up to an employee to determine what they are willing to take in exchange for working for Walmart.
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Old 06-19-2018, 09:20 AM
 
Location: My House
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WTH was going on in 2002-2008 that made it more then double? Ohhh bush. And then the great recession that Obama had to deal with from the last Republican in office.

Blaming Obama for the Recession that started under Bush is about normal for the GOP folks here. But its insanely disingenuous.

But once the economy recovered under Obama, the decline in food stamp recipients started. But several years into that suddenly its "Oh look Trumps dropping the numbers!" Something started under Obama.....
Quit it with your facts and logic, man.

Seriously, I am not sure why the rapid decline under Trump, which is largely because he just got the funding for it cut so people HAD to lose it or have benefits decline, is in any way a win if kids are still hungry.

In fact, cheering over a 2.2 million decline without knowing whether we now have more kids with empty bellies is as bad as cheering kids being taken from their parents at the border and put in detention.
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Old 06-19-2018, 09:26 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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You aren't saying anything different than I did. No Walmart means something else comes along, like Reads2MUCHMart who just hires the same chumps at the same rates, or slightly higher, but still only at the value of the labor or service they provide. They wont (and shouldn't) magically earn a "living wage" just because thats what people thing they should get, its reflective of the value they add and our school system is making minimal strides towards ensuring those skill sets are developed to a point where that is possible.

Your reply does nothing to change my point.
Not realistic to chase a “ living wageâ€. The higher the mandated Minimum Wage the higher the cost of living in a local economy.

Unions once lifted the masses out of poverty and over time made the US less competitive in a global market. It also made easier the cost- benefit of industrial robotics.

So much noise about stagnant wages as if employers should pay than the rate of inflation for the same functions/ performance? Makes no sense.

Walmart pays 34% more than Federal Minimum Wage for unskilled, entry level functions. That the wage may not be not enough to support a family, is not Walmart’s problem, is it?
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Old 06-19-2018, 09:30 AM
 
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Not realistic to chase a “ living wageâ€. The higher the mandated Minimum Wage the higher the cost of living in a local economy.

Unions once lifted the masses out of poverty and over time made the US less competitive in a global market. It also made easier the cost- benefit of industrial robotics.

So much noise about stagnant wages as if employers should pay than the rate of inflation for the same functions/ performance? Makes no sense.

Walmart pays 34% more than Federal Minimum Wage for unskilled, entry level functions. That the wage may not be not enough to support a family, is not Walmart’s problem, is it?
You are a broken record, I've addressed this already.
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Old 06-19-2018, 09:30 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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You are missing the point. Without food stamps Walmart would not be able to hire people at a wage so low they cannot eat. Walmart is taking advantage of that to do so. We have a "minimum" wage that is supposed to prevent that. But we refuse to raise it because big companies like Walmart often spend to avoid that.
33 states have a Minimum Wage higher than the Federal Minimum Wage.

Nothing at the Federal level prevents a state from increasing Minimum Wage.

When Walmart opens a new store they are in undated with applications far in excess of the number of new jobs. Part of this is because their stRting Wage is higher than Minimum Wage.
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Old 06-19-2018, 09:31 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Food stamp enrollment falls to 8-year low as Trump clamps down on fraud, economy improves
It was very high 8 yrs ago, so it being at 8 yr low doesn't say a whole lot.
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Old 06-19-2018, 09:42 AM
 
Location: Gaston, South Carolina
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Welfare was meant to be a crutch to help people when they were down. It was not meant to be skate board that lets someone roll through life.
Like during a recession perhaps?
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Old 06-19-2018, 09:48 AM
 
Location: New Orleans, La. USA
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Food stamp enrollment falls to 8-year low as Trump clamps down on fraud, economy improves | Fox News

"SNAP was established as a temporary supplemental nutrition benefit guiding people to self-sufficiency and self-reliance, not a permanent way of life."
40 million Americans live in poverty with children being effected the most. And in America 1 in 11 children live in extreme poverty. And people living in poverty are less likely to get an education, more likely to have health problems and more likely to commit crimes.
7 Facts on Poverty in America l The Poor in America l Facts on Poverty in America - Beliefnet
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...b06acda25f485c

Donald Trumps welfare changes do not address the problems that cause poverty, rather they make welfare harder to access. And Trumps welfare changes will increase the number of single women and children living in extreme poverty.
https://talkpoverty.org/2018/04/12/t...s-one-another/
https://www.americanprogress.org/iss...tens-children/

Trumps budget cuts $100's of billions of dollars in government assistance for poverty stricken Americans. And Trump has literally transferred that welfare funding to the richest 0.1% of Americans via tax cuts.
https://www.cbpp.org/research/federa...w-and-moderate
https://www.forbes.com/forbes/welcom...ww.google.com/
Trump and GOP Tax Cut Could Cost Your Kids $2.2 Trillion | Time


There are many problems with Americas welfare system. But blindly cutting government funding for Americans living in extreme poverty, and then transferring that funding to the richest 0.1% of Americans via tax cuts is beyond pathetic, and beyond ungentlemanlike.
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