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Communism. Communism murdered over 190 million people over the course of of the 20th century alone, with many forced to partake in cannibalism if they wanted to survive. The quality of life of over one billion people was also reduced to subsistence living. What you said in your original post is communism. Is that what you want? The victims of communism are enough to circle the circumference of the earth ten times over.
The whole dealing with insurance companies is insane. Heck, even if you are paying for it you still have to pay a deductible and HOPE your insurance covers whatever it is you need done. This is insane! From birth, everyone should automatically have all the access one needs without having to pay a dime. Every person should be able to walk into any hospital whenever and get whatever procedure/surgery etc. is needed without paying anything. We certainly could do it if we stopped all these stupid wars that our politicians constantly jack off to while watching us kill innocent men women and children and destroying everything.
Other than greed, is there any good reason we can't shut down all these health insurance companies and just have the govt itself foot the bill for every persons healthcare needs? God forbid rich people only have 50-100K to live off of compared to millions/billions.
It works just great in many nations to have free or mostly free healthcare available to all: 154 NATIONS IN ALL! So yes of course it can be done, and paying a bit more in taxes is a lot less painful than going bankrupt due to medical bills. Many health outcomes like neo-natal mortality rates are much worse in America than in many other countries, so it would also help the health of the nation to have universal healthcare.
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Communism. Communism murdered over 190 million people over the course of of the 20th century alone, with many forced to partake in cannibalism if they wanted to survive. The quality of life of over one billion people was also reduced to subsistence living. What you said in your original post is communism. Is that what you want? The victims of communism are enough to circle the circumference of the earth ten times over.
I thought the issue was universal health care rather than communism.
You don't have to be a communist country to have universal healthcare, indeed there are very few communist countries left in the world.
Communism. Communism murdered over 190 million people over the course of of the 20th century alone, with many forced to partake in cannibalism if they wanted to survive. The quality of life of over one billion people was also reduced to subsistence living. What you said in your original post is communism. Is that what you want? The victims of communism are enough to circle the circumference of the earth ten times over.
It's Okay; you can go to bed now. We checked under your bed and the "communist boogyman" has moved on.
Virtually all of the countries with some form of universal healthcare or single payer system are non-communist practicing democracies and most are first world developed nations rated at having higher individual. economic and political freedoms than the U.S.
The lack of an affordable healthcare system for all citizens is in fact one of the rankings used to place you so low on the list of advanced nations. Perhaps it's time for you outliers to trade in the old Tin Lizzy and move up to, at least, an Edsel?
Originally Posted by BentBow
Because the Constitution does not authorize the government take care of the people in anyway. This nation was founded upon the individual being able to take care of themselves, without being a burden on others.
There is a difference in providing and promoting.
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Therefore, if you're a farmer and your crops fail or get destroyed, then the government should NOT intervene and allow you to starve and suffer the natural consequences.
Is that according to the US constitution?
If you're drowning and nobody throws you a life jacket, then according to the US constitution, you should be allowed to suffer the consequences, since you can't swim to safety on your own.
Look!
In a rich republic such as that of the USA, we the citizens, should be afforded the very best in healthcare provided that our tax base can afford it. That's the purpose of government. To protect and provide for its citizens via appropriate organization and utilization of its citizen's skills and means of production.
As with anyone self employed, there is great risk and great rewards. There is a fine line that separates which direction it goes.
Crop insurance is always the option.
Teach farmers to manage their money, may go farther than a hand out.
I lost over 50 head of cattle about 6 years ago, due to drought. It is part of living and learning how to adapt.
Not when the obese, cigarette smokers, and drug users in society utilize healthcare far more than the healthy. Why should society be punished because people want their junk food and cancer sticks?
Then you should be a lawyer or work for an insurance company.
Your thinking is illogical and the poor people of this country will never agree to be taxed more to pay for your healthcare.
It would be one thing if everyone paid the same fee, not a fee base on a percentage of an obtuse factor in being treated equally by government.
I love the ideal of universal health care and the “right to access it”.
There's a problem - it's not a right. Government has criminalized or restricted access to medical care and medicine. You can only buy and sell care and medicine, by government's permission and licensing.
FIRST POINT: There is no "right" to healthcare if government requires permission (licensing) and criminalizes the unlicensed practice.
SECOND POINT: Greed was behind the push for licensing, not incompetence. Licensing created scarcity and boosted income of physicians.
THIRD POINT: Allopathic medicine was accorded the monopoly over dispensing potent medicines, and other schools of medicine were driven out or downgraded as "quackery".
FOURTH POINT: Inflated costs are directly attributed to government, abusive tort laws, monetary debasement, taxation, not to forget to mention that you cannot buy medicine without permission (prescription) bought from a government licensed person. And you can only buy it from another government licensed person, who buys his stock from other licensed entities.
FIFTH POINT: Health "insurance" is nothing less than a scam for insurance companies to skim vast fortunes from the patients (or whoever is paying the bill), via legalized gambling.
If you wish UNIVERSAL and affordable health care, you must get the government out of the way.
Government is the cause for:
[] Inflation [] Administrative overhead [] Taxation [] Scarcity [] Licensing [] Litigation [] Underwriting (insurance)
:-:-: Why Tax Payer Subsidized Health Care Is Dangerous :-:-:
Although governments instituted to secure endowed rights are acceptable, allowing governments to impose the obligation to pay for the health care of others is not.
There are a host of reasons why it is dangerous and a threat to liberty.
Once government controls healthcare, not only does it have the literal power of life and death, it has the power to impose obedience to the dictates of that system. Obviously, if one participates in such a healthcare system but refuses therapy, won’t take medications, is uncooperative and thus wastes time and resources, it could be a criminal if not a civil offense. It certainly may result in the loss of future services. And what about second opinions? Or third opinions? Isn’t that also a waste of public resources? And what happens when the “state of the art” is dead wrong and to challenge it is illegal?
Say good-bye to liberty.
On the opposite spectrum, what happens when the individual’s illness imposes a cost that is greater than what the bureaucracy will allocate? Shunting such patients to a hospice to comfortably die is not what most people would think of as benevolent universal health care.
There is one other aspect that no advocate of national health care wishes to consider - the self sacrifice for loved ones. It is not an uncommon practice for a family to sacrifice in order to care for a sickly member. In some instances, a sickly child will consume far more time, resources, and attention than the other healthy children. The parents and other family members willingly give up far more than what a bureaucrat would designate as “equitable.” In short, national health care is heartless, cold, and driven by budgets. [As illustrated by the case of Alfie Evans, sentenced to death by NHS bureaucrats.]
Before Socialism and government meddling, many private charities operated health care facilities, staffed by those who willingly chose a life of service to others. Frankly, I prefer to be cared for by selfless individuals than well paid professionals. Nor should we expect exemplary service from the lowest paid professional.
In short, national health care will be a boon to the bureaucrat, the politician, and the tax collector, but a curse upon the people stuck with the bill, and the patients and medical staff who suffer under it.
Honestly, why doesn't the govt just give everyone health benefits?
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Originally Posted by Zengha
The whole dealing with insurance companies is insane. Heck, even if you are paying for it you still have to pay a deductible and HOPE your insurance covers whatever it is you need done. This is insane! From birth, everyone should automatically have all the access one needs without having to pay a dime. Every person should be able to walk into any hospital whenever and get whatever procedure/surgery etc. is needed without paying anything. We certainly could do it if we stopped all these stupid wars that our politicians constantly jack off to while watching us kill innocent men women and children and destroying everything.
Other than greed, is there any good reason we can't shut down all these health insurance companies and just have the govt itself foot the bill for every persons healthcare needs? God forbid rich people only have 50-100K to live off of compared to millions/billions.
Tax cuts for corporations and billionaires are the priority with this congress & admin.
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Honestly, why doesn't the govt just give everyone health benefits?
