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Old 06-20-2018, 12:26 PM
 
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Yep. No different than all the trade negotiations that have taken place for decades.
Except for all the hysteria from the Trump haters proclaiming the collapse of the global economy.

Tariffs are negotiating tools.

Next up China, and this will be fun to watch. We'll eventually see the MSM and Dems in full blown panic mode that Trump is trying to start war with China.

But remember, China needs us more than we need them.
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Old 06-20-2018, 12:36 PM
 
Location: the dairyland
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So Germany is proposing that all tariffs be dropped between the two countries.

That's free trade.

Germany is doing nothing - German companies are. Of course they want all tariffs scrapped. In the end it's up to the governments to decide.
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Old 06-20-2018, 12:53 PM
 
Location: Phoenix, AZ area
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Except for all the hysteria from the Trump haters proclaiming the collapse of the global economy.

Tariffs are negotiating tools.

Next up China, and this will be fun to watch. We'll eventually see the MSM and Dems in full blown panic mode that Trump is trying to start war with China.

But remember, China needs us more than we need them.
They all need us more than we need them. Canada has huge tariffs on US goods, so does Mexican, EU, China, you name it. If it became cheaper to produce goods here again those factories would be built and US workers would fill those jobs again or we would import workers again and that would destroy foreign economies.

We have outsourced the American dream to the entire world but we didn't import very much in return.
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Old 06-20-2018, 12:56 PM
 
Location: Middle of the valley
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Except for all the hysteria from the Trump haters proclaiming the collapse of the global economy.

Tariffs are negotiating tools.

Next up China, and this will be fun to watch. We'll eventually see the MSM and Dems in full blown panic mode that Trump is trying to start war with China.

But remember, China needs us more than we need them.
Exaggeration and putting words into other people's mouths is not a valid argument.

Economists and businesses are concerned that a trade war will hurt the existing good economy. That is valid.

Does China need us more than we need them? That remains to be seen.

Nice move on changing the goal posts on your own thread.
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Old 06-20-2018, 01:26 PM
 
Location: St Paul
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So Germany is proposing that all tariffs be dropped between the two countries.

That's free trade.

No, German auto makers are proposing dropping all tariffs between the EU & US. That would indeed be free trade on issue of cars. I hope it happens.



The power of the tariff as a negotiating tool. Exhibit: A.
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Old 06-20-2018, 01:26 PM
 
Location: San Diego, CA
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Except for all the hysteria from the Trump haters proclaiming the collapse of the global economy.

Tariffs are negotiating tools.

Next up China, and this will be fun to watch. We'll eventually see the MSM and Dems in full blown panic mode that Trump is trying to start war with China.

But remember, China needs us more than we need them.
Says who? Last time I checked China is still a communist country and while it would be painful, could certainly retrench or seek new trading partners. The US and the countries who used to be our friends, allies and trading partners have voters and democracies to contend with. Look at China's history, the happiness of the people is secondary to the state.
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Old 06-20-2018, 01:53 PM
 
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Great point.


Where is Mercedes making stuff here?
There Cargo vans are just the same as a Dodge Sprinters with a Benz emblem.
Actually, the Dodge Sprinter was nothing more than an MB with a Dodge emblem and that relationship ended when MB sold Chrysler in 2007.

As noted:

Since 1997, MB has produced the M Class, R Class, GLS, GLE, and C Class in Vance, AL

Since 2006, MB has assembled the Sprinter in MB, Freightliner, and Dodge guise in North Charleston, SC from kits and that plant is being expanded to build MB and Freightliner Sprinters for 2020..

MB also builds heavy duty trucks in the US under the Freightliner and Western Star brands as well as Thomas Built buses.
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Old 06-20-2018, 02:22 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Now wait a minute...weren't all you economics geniuses telling us Trump didn't know what he was doing?

From the WSJ:

"BERLIN—When the U.S. ambassador to Germany, Richard Grenell, returns to Washington for consultation with the administration Wednesday, he will be carrying a peace offering for President Donald Trump from Germany’s leading auto makers.

Their proposal, people familiar with the situation say, is simple: Abandon all import tariffs for cars between the European Union and the U.S"

https://www.wsj.com/articles/germany...ffs-1529492027

Tariffs are negotiating tools, they aren't the end of the world. I realize your TDS and the MSM have many of you libs blinded to reality, but Trump is a shrewd businessman who understands the global economy.

Btw, if the WSJ tucks this behind their paywall, it's also available on FOX and VOX
Nothing in writing has happened.
Lucky or good? Dunno, but I'll take it. Lord knows Trump will take the spotlight on it. lol

Some of us were hoping he was trying to force the hand of other nations. Trying to play them. Like how he played the voters when he said he wasn't going to vote for increased spending.

So again as a reminder to detractors and supporters alike, nothing in writing has happened.
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Old 06-20-2018, 02:25 PM
 
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So Trump to get free trade, posted massive tariffs....instead of proposing free trade.
Good grief people, the tariffs are a negotiating tool! They are a means to an end, not a permanent solution.

If Trump offered "free trade" right off the bat, it would not have been effective because there is no sense of urgency attached to it. Trump threatened tariffs precisely to motivate them to speed things up. If he didn't hold their feet to the fire, they would likely have come back with some bureaucratic nonsense such as "Germany offers to reduce tariffs 10% by 2021, 30% by 2024, and all tariffs by 2030". That's how things work when you play the traditional, pushover bureaucrat.
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Old 06-20-2018, 02:49 PM
 
Location: St Paul
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Germany is doing nothing - German companies are. Of course they want all tariffs scrapped. In the end it's up to the governments to decide.

Correct, the EU is the one being greedy, controlling & screwing everything up. If they want to destroy the EU economies, that's their business. Literally.
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