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Old 07-09-2018, 12:17 AM
 
Location: Arvada, CO
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Oh, I know Fremont Street very well. I have stayed in different hotels there seven times. I never give money to beggars as a rule. I will buy them something to eat, but never give money.

She was different. I knew that as soon as I saw her.

Fremont Street can be a lot of fun, but sometimes you see the most appalling things. I once saw a lady obviously in distress talking to herself, facing a wall just outside the Golden Nugget. Everybody just walked by ignoring her. I believe she was mentally ill, having seen similar behaviour before involving a family member of mine. Like others. I walked away from this sad sight. I didn't know what I could do to help her, just being a tourist in a foreign land.

If I saw such a thing in England, I would stay with the lady as I rang 999 for an ambulance to take her to hospital, where she could be cared for.
Yeah. If you had called 911 on her, you probably would have been treated like you were inconveniencing the emergency personnel. That's standard fare over here, we have people with similar problems wandering the streets everywhere.

Anyhow, I myself try to get to Vegas semi-frequently, but Fremont St is major sensory overload for me, so I stay away from there if I can help it.
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Old 07-09-2018, 12:31 AM
 
Location: Corona del Mar, CA - Coronado, CA
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I have been....

Why are there 119 pages of reply to a nonsensical troll effort?
 
Old 07-09-2018, 12:32 AM
 
Location: England
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Anyhow, I myself try to get to Vegas semi-frequently, but Fremont St is major sensory overload for me, so I stay away from there if I can help it.
My son and his wife are going on one of their frequent visits to Las Vegas early in September. They love Fremont Street, and stay there. They can take or leave the strip. It's much more 'gritty' on Fremont, which they like. He likes high stakes gambling, which I find too unnerving.

My favourite joint is the 'El Cortez. I can be found there playing single deck blackjack........ You meet the most interesting people in that old school casino.

We don't drive there, but ride the bus instead. Las Vegas is a beautiful place once you get a few miles from the strip. We wander all over the place without fear. Some Americans tell us, "don't go there, you could get mugged or killed." I always try to be polite to people, and have had no real problems.

My wife can let the side down sometimes. We were riding the bus once, and a group of American kids were laughing and swearing. My wife stood up and turned round, and said, in her best cut glass English accent, "do your mother's know you speak this way in front of ladies?" I thought, "oh gawd....... here we go." One of them just said, "sorry m'am", and they remained quiet for the rest of the journey. This seemed to amuse Americans riding the bus.........
 
Old 07-09-2018, 12:39 AM
 
Location: England
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Why are there 119 pages of reply to a nonsensical troll effort?
Good morning Tim........ as enchanting as ever........ You got anything to say of interest?
 
Old 07-09-2018, 12:42 AM
 
Location: Arvada, CO
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My son and his wife are going on one of their frequent visits to Las Vegas early in September. They love Fremont Street, and stay there. They can take or leave the strip. It's much more 'gritty' on Fremont, which they like. He likes high stakes gambling, which I find too unnerving.

My favourite joint is the 'El Cortez. I can be found there playing single deck blackjack........ You meet the most interesting people in that old school casino.

We don't drive there, but ride the bus instead. Las Vegas is a beautiful place once you get a few miles from the strip. We wander all over the place without fear. Some Americans tell us, "don't go there, you could get mugged or killed." I always try to be polite to people, and have had no real problems.

My wife can let the side down sometimes. We were riding the bus once, and a group of American kids were laughing and swearing. My wife stood up and turned round, and said, in her best cut glass English accent, "do your mother's know you speak this way in front of ladies?" I thought, "oh gawd....... here we go." One of them just said, "sorry m'am", and they remained quiet for the rest of the journey. This seemed to amuse Americans riding the bus.........
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Old 07-09-2018, 01:00 AM
 
Location: Here and now.
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Why are there 119 pages of reply to a nonsensical troll effort?
I suspect because people keep responding.

Thanks for playing.
 
Old 07-09-2018, 01:05 AM
 
Location: England
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I suspect because people keep responding.

Thanks for playing.
Very droll Cat......... I'm waiting patiently for some guys to arrive to do some work on my living room.

I keep thinking this thread is in it's death throes, and then it twitches back to life.

Whenever it comes to an end, I would like to thank everyone who has joined in the discussion.
 
Old 07-09-2018, 01:24 AM
 
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]especially with links from such "professional" sources as something called LifeZette, or even Quartz and Psychology Today, a mag for lay people.

Psychology Today is quite a beautiful magazine I'd have to say; in fact, I have the July issue sitting on my desk. What you may consider professional is most likely considered unreliable by another person. Welcome to the internet!


PS: Centennial Health always has amazing magazines also!
 
Old 07-09-2018, 01:30 AM
 
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I have been fascinated with America, and it's people all my life. At the same time I have been puzzled by many attitudes, and the seeming despising of so called failures in society. The one's who don't 'lift themselves up by their bootstraps', and the like.

With the election of Donald Trump, this underlying cruelty has manifested itself, and is on display all the time in this forum. Whether it's illegals, different racial groups, UHC, politics in general, the educated sneering at the uneducated, and a more inward looking population. A seeming cheering at Trump's wrecking ball type of politics. It is endlessly interesting to me, as an outsider looking in, but difficult to understand.

I came across an online article which for me, helped a little in understanding the American mentality. The writer of it says America was a promised land - for the despised, loathed and hated. Folks not given an ounce of respect, dignity, or even belonging in their societies of origin.

It was built on hate. First the British and French settlers hating the Native Americans, and then the next wave of settlers too. Cruelty was established as a way of life. Each new tribe that came to this promised land, brought the burden of being despised and oppressed with them. They were finally above someone else in a social hierarchy. They were not at the bottom anymore. The basis of a dog eat dog, survival of the fittest mentality was formed, which continues today. Today's servant wants to be tomorrow's master. Today's peasant, wants to be tomorrow's landlord. Today's victim aspires to be tomorrow's oppressor.

An attitude of cruelty was formed. Punching down, not lifting up. It's all that Americans expect from each other, and give to each other. A perverse idea of virtue, that by punishing people, we can better them. It is all that Americans expect from each other, and give to each other.

This article made me think, and ponder about this great country, and why it does, what it does. How did the 'Promised Land' get to where it is today? Led by a sociopathic, hateful man, who can do no wrong to a large part of the population. Do Americans on this forum agree with what he has to say, or think he's wrong?


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This is a blog article to fit the blogger's agenda and be quoted by those whose agenda it fits. Go ahead and use it as a single perspective, but not as anything researched and authoritative.

Yes the basic premise of new groups starting at the bottom and having to move up is true. Yes there has been hostility towards new immigrant groups. As the blog stated, these groups assimilate and then move up.

I would like to think that a lot of that changed after the 1960s, and continued to evolve over the past half-century, but I know in the older cities it hasn't changed. Having lived in and near Chicago for my first 30 years, I know that ethnic groups can dwell on old-world grudges. It was common in that area to be asked "what are you?" or "what kind of name is that?". Most times I assume it is only a person who wants to understand all the ethnicities around them, but I guess sometimes it is used to promote rivairies. Eventually the arriving groups have their achievers that use the opportunity of the public school education to do well, and they move up and are replaced with a new group of arrivals, but.... things happen, members of the groups cross paths in our society and marry each other, so the lines get generic.

By contrast, I did not hear the same questions during my time in Southern California, or in the surrounding southwestern states, or in North Texas. These parts of the country have moved beyond old world grudges, so much to the point where the largest newspaper in Southern California incessantly refers to all White people as "Anglos".

I also think this blogger used some weak examples of our supposed callousness. Take Health Care as an example.

We have all been to the DMV.
We have all been to the Post Office.
We have all watched the government try to fix a road.
We are distressed at the crap that is going on at the VA hospital in Phoenix and other locations.
Some local governments are notoriously corrupt. I mentioned living in Illinois.. the state where our governors make the license plates.

With all that in mind, we do not want to trust the government with our health care. It is really desperate and hateful to try to label us as cruel and inhumane for not wanting to remove our healthcare from the uncaring bureaucrats at the insurance company and turn it over to the uncaring and incompetent bureaucrats at some government agency. At least the way it is now, there is some government oversight over the insurers.

Seeing you call our President "sociopathic" and "hateful" helps me to understand how your choice of reading leads you to take the blog seriously. I hope that the people responding are helping you understand the American that this bitter blogger does not want to see.

There have been a lot of people acting crazy in public and on social media since the 2016 election, but remember that we do generally accept the results of our elections and if we do not like the results, we make sure to show up to vote at the next election. Those who don't, are OK with letting everyone else decide for them.


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I am not a foreigner! I am English....... everyone else is a foreigner!!........
Yes and we are all spacemen to the Martians.
 
Old 07-09-2018, 01:46 AM
 
Location: England
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This is a blog article to fit the blogger's agenda and be quoted by those whose agenda it fits. Go ahead and use it as a single perspective, but not as anything researched and authoritative.

Yes the basic premise of new groups starting at the bottom and having to move up is true. Yes there has been hostility towards new immigrant groups. As the blog stated, these groups assimilate and then move up.

I would like to think that a lot of that changed after the 1960s, and continued to evolve over the past half-century, but I know in the older cities it hasn't changed. Having lived in and near Chicago for my first 30 years, I know that ethnic groups can dwell on old-world grudges. It was common in that area to be asked "what are you?" or "what kind of name is that?". Most times I assume it is only a person who wants to understand all the ethnicities around them, but I guess sometimes it is used to promote rivairies. Eventually the arriving groups have their achievers that use the opportunity of the public school education to do well, and they move up and are replaced with a new group of arrivals, but.... things happen, members of the groups cross paths in our society and marry each other, so the lines get generic.

By contrast, I did not hear the same questions during my time in Southern California, or in the surrounding southwestern states, or in North Texas. These parts of the country have moved beyond old world grudges, so much to the point where the largest newspaper in Southern California incessantly refers to all White people as "Anglos".

I also think this blogger used some weak examples of our supposed callousness. Take Health Care as an example.

We have all been to the DMV.
We have all been to the Post Office.
We have all watched the government try to fix a road.
We are distressed at the crap that is going on at the VA hospital in Phoenix and other locations.
Some local governments are notoriously corrupt. I mentioned living in Illinois.. the state where our governors make the license plates.

With all that in mind, we do not want to trust the government with our health care. It is really desperate and hateful to try to label us as cruel and inhumane for not wanting to remove our healthcare from the uncaring bureaucrats at the insurance company and turn it over to the uncaring and incompetent bureaucrats at some government agency. At least the way it is now, there is some government oversight over the insurers.

Seeing you call our President "sociopathic" and "hateful" helps me to understand how your choice of reading leads you to take the blog seriously. I hope that the people responding are helping you understand the American that this bitter blogger does not want to see.

There have been a lot of people acting crazy in public and on social media since the 2016 election, but remember that we do generally accept the results of our elections and if we do not like the results, we make sure to show up to vote at the next election. Those who don't, are OK with letting everyone else decide for them.



Yes and we are all spacemen to the Martians.
Thank you for that. I agree Donald Trump is the rightful POTUS. I understand why so many especially poorer Americans voted for him. They want someone to shake up the establishment, and bring good paying jobs back to especially areas hit hard by economic change.

But,nothing will make me take back that he is sociopathic,and hateful. It isn't difficult to spot this in him is it? But, many Americans seem to like this approach, at least for now. Let's see how things look in two years time.

I say this hoping somehow his Presidency will bring some good long term for Americans. He is struggling to keep good people in the White House, and seems to feel things are better if he runs the whole thing himself. I am convinced his approach will cause great damage. His ego is massive, and if the economy turns for the worse, due to his very own policies, then I can see him quitting, and walking away. But not in the immediate future. Like I say, let's wait and see.
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