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Old 06-25-2018, 02:04 PM
 
Location: southern california
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Third world thinking
Ours is a failed attempt to include others in a system that does not serve their interests
Folly of the modernized nations
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Old 06-25-2018, 02:08 PM
 
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Sorry, the intersection of math and ethics is a highly important area. I refer back to the classic 'Okuns Bucket' problem in Economics. There is a tradeoff between efficiency and equity - but beyond the math there are moral questions. Is it right that we don't help people in need if we become less productive?
Who told you math destroys equity?
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Old 06-25-2018, 02:09 PM
 
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Third world thinking
Ours is a failed attempt to include others in a system that does not serve their interests
Folly of the modernized nations
Ironically, women outpreform men in mathematics in many third-world countries. The real question is why that isn't true in America.
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Old 06-25-2018, 02:10 PM
 
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Ironically, women outpreform men in mathematics in many third-world countries. The real question is why that isn't true in America.
No. Women do not outperform men.
If you look at the IMO contest, very few winners are women.
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Old 06-25-2018, 02:13 PM
 
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No. Women do not outperform men.
If you look at the IMO contest, very few winners are women.
https://munews.missouri.edu/news-rel...ment-globally/

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According to the data, boys fall behind girls in overall achievement across reading, mathematics, and science in 70 percent of the countries studied
Facts > Anecdotes. I can do math too.
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Old 06-25-2018, 02:14 PM
 
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https://munews.missouri.edu/news-rel...ment-globally/



Facts > Anecdotes. I can do math too.
I told you to look at IMO, did you?
https://imo-official.org/year_country_r.aspx?year=2017
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Old 06-25-2018, 02:14 PM
 
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Who told you math destroys equity?
???

You don't seem to understand.
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Old 06-25-2018, 02:18 PM
 
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???

You don't seem to understand.
I do. You associated math with efficiency, and implies it does harm to equity.
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Old 06-25-2018, 02:22 PM
 
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I do. You associated math with efficiency, and implies it does harm to equity.
Applications of math can be harmful when there is no moral angle. Is it right that a factory should dump toxic waste if it can improve its margins - thereby making the market more efficient but society worse off? I don't think so. I think I made this point poorly - but I'm not talking about math inherently.
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Old 06-25-2018, 02:23 PM
 
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I went way, whey, weigh into math, but unlike the others, I got back.

I still have a bit of substract seasoning, which at least mentions groundedness to those afraid of flying.

There was this 70s level Ford Country Squire station wagon carousing and careening dizzily, packed with Chinese scientists, always on their way to lunch each day.

Almost ran me over one day.

They couldn't see me, and they apparently didn't think anyone saw them.

They seemed to become some kind of thrilling freedom, when they entered that American station wagon.

Thrilled beyond their dreams, and as a unit of themselves, they got some kind of, um, taste.

Probably similar to a Chinese Fire Drill.
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