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No. I am against the ban. However, it is even more nonsensical when you look at the nations banned versus those which were not.
If you were to look at what the ban was aimed at you might actually see the sense in it. What many who hold your train of thought miss is the issue with those governments on the banned list being able to properly vet and search people getting on planes and to properly secure their airports.
The governments on that list are in such bad shape they cannot secure a toilet much less an airport. Of course if you and others are okay with just anyone from anywhere getting on planes and heading here...
For your information, Countries like Saudi Arabia and the UAE are stable and secure their airports very well.
You haven't made a case for why the nations on the list are not a threat and shouldn't be banned. All you've done is whine about nations not on the list, as if you want them on the list. Which is nonsensical since you don't want any nations on the list.
What is your solution to the potential threat of ISIS sending people over here as they have promised to do? And don't say better vetting because the inability to vet on an individual basis is why all persons from those nations are on the list.
It is not for him to show why those countries are not a threat and shouldn't be banned. If it is about terrorism it is up to the government to show definite evidence of probable cause. There is NON other than propaganda.
Isis is founded by gulf states, the u.s. allies. At the same time the u.s. and saudi arabia are fighting along side al qaeda in yemen. It is about time people realize the "war on terror" is a phony war.
If you really want a solution for terrorism you need to have the u.s./uk/france/saudi arabia stop funding terrorists. They do it because the don't want their own soldiers dying in their geopolitical advances: oil and financial control in the middle east.
The travel ban is just another way to pressure those countries, on top of war, sanctions, boycotts, etc.
It is not for him to show why those countries are not a threat and shouldn't be banned. If it is about terrorism it is up to the government to show definite evidence of probable cause. There is NON other than propaganda.
And that has been done. Whether or not it meets with your approval is irrelevant. Nobody needs you to agree or sign off on it so just get over it. The travel ban is here, it has been affirmed by the highest court in the land, and Trump isn't likely going to be swayed by your whining and tinfoil conspiracy allegations to change it.
And that has been done. Whether or not it meets with your approval is irrelevant. Nobody needs you to agree or sign off on it so just get over it. The travel ban is here, it has been affirmed by the highest court in the land, and Trump isn't likely going to be swayed by your whining and tinfoil conspiracy allegations to change it.
Which part is conspiracy? The fact that the u.s./saudi coalition is fighting along side al-qaeda in yemen? Or that bombing in syria actually help isis? Or that the west have an interest in controlling the oil and financial system of countries in the middle east?
Please tell me, it would just take me a couple of minutes to find all the reliable sources in the internet.
Unless you are visa waiver country, you are basically already banned.
Try applying for a simple U.S. tourist visa from a country not on the visa waiver list, it's not remotely easy.
If you are poor it is difficult to get a visa, if you have money is easier, if you are a terrorist known by the cia it is guarantee you'll get the visa.
First, you have to start somewhere. The original ban included the same 7 countries that were put on a list by Obama for restricted travel and signed into law. Please don't act like liberals would have been ok with a travel ban if only it had included more countries.
Second, you respond to tomorrow's threat, not to yesterday's threat. Refugees were streaming out of some of these countries with little vetting and ISIS had publicly vowed to infiltrate them and there are documented cases of it. Iran and North Korea had made public threats.
Third, a ban on all citizens of a country is what you do when that country will not cooperate with you so that you can vet citizens on an individual basis.
Yes Obama placed limited restrictions on people that had traveled to those countries on the list, it was the visa waiver travel program, not an entire ban on refugees and travelers. Refugees from all those countries particularly Syria, Iraq were already heavily vetted in procedures that took years.
You place a complete ban on a country because of a credible threat as established by Homeland security or one of the other intelligence agencies. The Japanese internment was based on trumped up fear by a certain military intelligence analyst who overreacted, he later apologized in person to Korematzu who brought the supreme court case. This ban is a complete overreaction and was poorly thought out, this was supposed to be temporary for 120 days until they could put new procedures in place.
Incorrect. I am against our presence in that region. Period.
And I am not left or right...simply a person with common sense.
You say you have common sense, but your senses have failed to see that the ban is against people coming from countries from which we cannot properly vet people. It has, to a small degree, to do with past actions of people from those countries, but primarily it is whether or not we can currently, or in the near future, reasonably guarantee that people coming from those countries will pose a threat.
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