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Old 06-26-2018, 08:25 PM
 
Location: Madison, WI
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Because you are not allowing states to allow the people to use their land as they see fit. You are now arguing for government to step in. You are now arguing for the status quo.
...as long as it doesn't harm others or their property, which it would be if they're polluting.
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Old 06-26-2018, 08:25 PM
 
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Because you are not allowing states to allow the people to use their land as they see fit. You are now arguing for government to step in. You are now arguing for the status quo.
LOL. Libertarians believe government must have the essential role of enforcing the laws.

Again, not sure why it’s hard to understand. Did I miss anything here?
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Old 06-26-2018, 08:26 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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If state A can not use their property as they see fit, that is violating their property right.
States are not real. They don't have rights. Only individuals have rights. Only individuals can be victimized.
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Old 06-26-2018, 08:26 PM
 
Location: Madison, WI
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If state A can not use their property as they see fit, that is violating their property right.
Wrong. See my last post.
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Old 06-26-2018, 08:26 PM
 
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You didn't get what I said. Maybe I'll rephrase it...

If we wouldn't feel JUSTIFIED doing it on our own, we won't advocate for someone else to do it on our behalf. If I wouldn't feel justified in forcing you to pay for what I want, I won't vote for someone to force you to pay for what I want.
We can not live in a modern society without everyone financially participating, even those who do not want to. You may feel justified in believing you can build a modern highway on your own but you can't. It's impossible.

You aren't interested in living in a world where everyone does for themselves or you wouldn't be on the internet.
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Old 06-26-2018, 08:27 PM
 
Location: Madison, WI
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States are not real. They don't have rights. Only individuals have rights. Only individuals can be victimized.
That too...
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Old 06-26-2018, 08:28 PM
 
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Wrong. See my last post.
Picking at nits. Call it state, business, property owner, whatever, that is not the point. Not even you believe people should be able to use their property however they want to.
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Old 06-26-2018, 08:28 PM
 
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We can not live in a modern society without everyone financially participating, even those who do not want to. You may feel justified in believing you can build a modern highway on your own but you can't. It's impossible.

You aren't interested in living in a world where everyone does for themselves or you wouldn't be on the internet.
Yet virtually everything is built based on libertarian principles like none violence and free trade, not by government decree.

Roads existed long before there were governments.
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Old 06-26-2018, 08:28 PM
 
Location: Madison, WI
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We can not live in a modern society without everyone financially participating, even those who do not want to. You may feel justified in believing you can build a modern highway on your own but you can't. It's impossible.

You aren't interested in living in a world where everyone does for themselves or you wouldn't be on the internet.
Well yeah, I've never wanted that...

And that's the thing. It doesn't matter what I want. It matters that people are allowed to spend their money on what THEY think is important, not what I think is important.
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Old 06-26-2018, 08:29 PM
 
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Picking at nits. Call it state, business, property owner, whatever, that is not the point. Not even you believe people should be able to use their property however they want to.
People can use their property in anyway they see fit as long as it doesn’t create harm to others.
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