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Old 06-27-2018, 11:42 AM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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Tell that to the barbarians just before their dogs feast on your entrails.

The only one who is in a position to understand , and apply natural law is a sovereign. If I owned an island, I would apply natural law as an enlightened and self sustaining sovereign. However to think you can depend on others to respect this has just been presented to you as folly.




You claim make no logical sense to me because there is no morality without a sovereign. What? you think the antelope at the round table will present their bill of rights to the bears and wolves?
You have the rights. When they are violated you don't lose them.

All Statist mental blocks are tough but this seems to be one of the tougher ones.
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Old 06-27-2018, 11:45 AM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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You shouldn’t take your political views so seriously, nobody else does. That said, I actually have quite a bit of respect for your political views. I’m not libertarian, but I can understand many of my beliefs come from libertarian foundations. But pure libertarianism is a pipe dream. I think you guys know that, it’s a great theory and interesting to talk about it, but it just doesn’t apply in reality. The world isn’t full of Franks and there are some scummy people out there and they do need to be controlled. Use the word statist like it’s a bad word so much and it’s going to lose all its meaning.
The ends don't justify the means.

It doesn't matter if society at large is violent. You can choose not to be violent.
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Old 06-27-2018, 02:47 PM
 
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The ends don't justify the means.

It doesn't matter if society at large is violent. You can choose not to be violent.
You’ve got those “one liners” down.
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Old 06-27-2018, 03:00 PM
 
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So. Trespassing man is evicted from property he doesn't own. And we should be outraged....why?
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Old 06-27-2018, 03:08 PM
 
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I hate to say this, but all land is owned, and if Japan owns that land they can do with it as they wish including evicting trespassers. There really isn't any unowned land on the planet, so in order to live off the land, you have to buy a piece of it first. I say this as someone who doesn't support "statists" or the nanny state. It's just the reality of life in the 21st century.
Even then when you 'purchase' land you're really just renting it from the state via property taxes. Fail to pay those and they'll evict you.
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Old 06-27-2018, 03:14 PM
 
Location: NE Mississippi
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I'm intrigued, but it's not America and we know very little about the whole thing.


I am well informed, however, about the history of Alexander Selkirk. Selkirk volunteered to be marooned on Juan Fernandez Island in the Pacific rather than continue a voyage on an poorly maintained ship - a ship that was never heard from again, BTW.


Selkirk spent years on the island and when he was 'rescued' could not have cared less if no one ever found him. He could outrun any dog, and had lamed the local goats so that he could always catch one, if needed. English was his language, but after several years without speaking to anyone he could not make himself understood.
Selkirk disappeared into history, but was the inspiration for Robinson Crusoe. The stories have little in common beyond inspiration. I have texts written both by Selkirk himself as well as the captain who found him.



And I actually have a signed copy of Robinson Crusoe, USN, which is the true story, written first person, of George Tweed who was trapped on Guam in WWII for a couple of years until he was rescued by the navy.
But Tweed lived in danger of being found by the Japanese and he wanted OFF that island. BAD!
It's a life worth pondering. But many, many castaway sailors have died in such circumstances.
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Old 06-27-2018, 03:26 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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You’ve got those “one liners” down.
Most of us are public school graduates (what I would call State-mandated indoctrination centers).

I try to go slowly (hence the proclivity in using one-liners) for the sake of brevity when faced with the shortfalls of "learning" at gunpoint that we all must bear.

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Old 06-27-2018, 03:29 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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So. Trespassing man is evicted from property he doesn't own. And we should be outraged....why?
He owned the land. He mixed his labor with it. It's called Homesteading and predates any government you folks have ever come up with.

Sure, he wasn't issued a piece of paper with a shiny emblem on it it from a man in a suit downtown but he was trying to live in the real world...not your make believe world.

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Old 06-27-2018, 03:31 PM
 
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You have the rights. When they are violated you don't lose them.

All Statist mental blocks are tough but this seems to be one of the tougher ones.
And who provides these "rights"?
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Old 06-27-2018, 03:37 PM
 
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He owned the land. He mixed his labor with it. It's called Homesteading and predates any government you folks have ever come up with.

Sure, he wasn't issued a piece of paper with a shiny emblem on it it from a man in a suit downtown but he was trying to live in the real world...not your make believe world.


Indeed this is true. I see no evidence is was disputed by anyone, If it were disputed then the land must have market value. If that be the case then compensation for use of the unimproved land might be forthcoming. Otherwise , not.

Unfortunately for him he did not form a "more perfect union" to defend the principle. He was defeated in a state of war.
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