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Old 06-27-2018, 08:46 AM
 
Location: City Data Land
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Another win for America! Socialist union leadership is doomed.
Goody! Employers get to pay employees less money! You know you actually lost right? Let me spell it out for you. These employees will lose their union so they will earn less money. Poorer people means more people using welfare benefits. More people on welfare means we all pay more taxes. So congratulations on your "victory."
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Old 06-27-2018, 08:49 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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'bout time to end the 'Union' thugery.....

https://www.wsj.com/articles/supreme...ons-1530108179

Another Constitutionally correct ruling. We're FINALLY beginning to get our Constitutional Rights restored.
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Old 06-27-2018, 08:51 AM
 
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Here's the actual decision (LONG!!) and the important deciding language copied below:

https://www.scribd.com/document/3827...een&from_embed



"48 JANUS
v.
STATE, COUNTY, AND MUNICIPAL EMPLOYEES

Opinion of the Court

VII For these reasons, States and public-sector unions may no longer extract agency fees from nonconsenting employees.

This procedure violates the First Amendment and cannot continue. Neither an agency fee nor any other payment to the union may be deducted from a nonmember’s wages, nor may any other attempt be made to collect such a payment, unless the employee affirmatively consents to pay. By agreeing to pay, nonmembers are waiving their First Amendment rights, and such a waiver cannot be presumed. Rather, to be effective, the waiver must be freely given and shown by “clear and compelling” evidence.
682 (1999). Unless employees clearly and affirmatively consent before any money is taken from them, this standard cannot be met"
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Old 06-27-2018, 08:55 AM
 
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I have not read the decision, but I tend to think that it was probably correct.


I must admit, having worked for the US Government for almost 30 years (with my retirement two days hence), I benefited from the bargaining agreements negotiated by the Federal unions (such as working from home several days a week), but I never joined, and I resisted any request to join and pay union dues.


In part, because I disliked the union members I met, especially the 'officials', whom spent way too much of their time on union business rather than the work they were hired to do.


Also, although an attorney, I was never paid as much as some posters have liked to claim throughout the years.


Anyway, 'freedom of association' goes both ways: one may, if they desire, join (associate) with a union. However, one may also, if they desire, not associate with a union. If not, they should have no obligation to pay into the union.


I shall have to read the decision of the Court, which I think was based more on 'free speech', rather than the freedom of association.


In truth, this decision was a long time coming. As Justice Alito apparently wrote, the Unions may moan about how their bankroll will now diminish, but for 41 years they were able to collect money from people whom chose not to associate with a Union.
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Old 06-27-2018, 08:57 AM
 
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The ruling makes sense in that you can't force someone to join your union, or pay the fees if they choose not to join.

That said, the next common sense ruling would be that if a Union negotiates terms for its members, and you've decided not to be a member, that you're not entitled to the fruits of your labor.

In my opinion, anything that further diminishes the power of unions is bad for American workers. I think this will only be exasperated by the growth of automation.
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Old 06-27-2018, 09:02 AM
 
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Fantastic. If people think Unions still work then they are sadly mistaken.
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Old 06-27-2018, 09:02 AM
 
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The ruling makes sense in that you can't force someone to join your union, or pay the fees if they choose not to join.

That said, the next common sense ruling would be that if a Union negotiates terms for its members, and you've decided not to be a member, that you're not entitled to the fruits of your labor.

In my opinion, anything that further diminishes the power of unions is bad for American workers. I think this will only be exasperated by the growth of automation.
I think you meant "the fruits of their (the union's) labor" by which means an employee will not be able to benefit from agreements/bargaining done by the union if they are not a member thereof....which is only right.
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Old 06-27-2018, 09:03 AM
 
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The ruling makes sense in that you can't force someone to join your union, or pay the fees if they choose not to join.

That said, the next common sense ruling would be that if a Union negotiates terms for its members, and you've decided not to be a member, that you're not entitled to the fruits of your labor.

In my opinion, anything that further diminishes the power of unions is bad for American workers. I think this will only be exasperated by the growth of automation.
This. A non member should not benefit from a union negotiated benefit. That said, blue collar workers seem to be championing their own demise and competing for lower benefits so carry on.
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Old 06-27-2018, 09:04 AM
 
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Here's the actual decision (LONG!!) and the important deciding language copied below:

https://www.scribd.com/document/3827...een&from_embed


"48 JANUS
v.
STATE, COUNTY, AND MUNICIPAL EMPLOYEES

Opinion of the Court

VII For these reasons, States and public-sector unions may no longer extract agency fees from nonconsenting employees.

This procedure violates the First Amendment and cannot continue. Neither an agency fee nor any other payment to the union may be deducted from a nonmember’s wages, nor may any other attempt be made to collect such a payment, unless the employee affirmatively consents to pay. By agreeing to pay, nonmembers are waiving their First Amendment rights, and such a waiver cannot be presumed. Rather, to be effective, the waiver must be freely given and shown by “clear and compelling” evidence.
682 (1999). Unless employees clearly and affirmatively consent before any money is taken from them, this standard cannot be met"
Yep. UnConstitutional. This is a Constitutionally correct ruling. So good to see we're beginning to get our Constitutional Rights restored.
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Old 06-27-2018, 09:07 AM
 
Location: Austin
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picking supreme court justices who rule based on the constitution is one of the main reasons republicans, democrats, independents should vote for republican candidates in the mid-terms.
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